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  • #76
    Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

    It would seem that conservatives don't understand irony or satire either.
    I fully understand both irony and satire. I also understand that comments like this from liberals are not intended to be anything but serious accusations. When it comes to spewing rhetoric, liberals have no sense of humor whatsoever.

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    • #77
      This pseudo scientific and racial blahblah is nothing knew and has been proclaimed urbi et orbi in the past to prevent different groups to participate on democracy : poor, women, blacks, ... And the Deplorables ..recently . Democracy must be reserved to the good groups: the intellectual elite, the rich, those from the Ivy League, the billionaires .100 years ago, the elite in Belgium had 3 votes, the Deplorables only one .
      And, now, history is repeating itself :
      those who disagree with the intellectual elite are inherently more evil than the rest of the population ( Julius Streicher would agree ) ,Robert Kennedy jr would say (and he said it ) : lock them up
      why are such people disagreeing with the intellectual elite who has science on its side , with the vanguard of the revolution who will transform the world in a perfect society ( as would say Marx,Lenin, Maduro, AOC ..) ?
      They are fearful . And why ? It is not their fault : these poor people have a big amygdala . And, how can we make sure that they are no longer fearful,cease to be conservative and evil ?By preventing them to hear news that makes them fearful : things as 9/11 or criminality from illegal immigrants . If they don't know this, they will no longer be fearful and conservative and republican and they will no longer vote for Trump .
      And how can we sure that they not hear what they must not hear ? By doing what parents do with their children; switch to an other TV station when someone on Fox is talking about crimes from illegal immigrants . The best thing would be to forbid Fox, maybe this will be possible if science ( Geraint Rees,AOC ) could prove that looking to Fox is bad for people,that it makes them fearful, that it enlarges their amygdala .

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        I fully understand both irony and satire. I also understand that comments like this from liberals are not intended to be anything but serious accusations. When it comes to spewing rhetoric, liberals have no sense of humor whatsoever.
        Well yes, intolerance is a universal disease and liberals who seek to oppress freedom of expression and free speech do bug me. Then again conservatives do exactly the same thing. In my view people are people and labels like Liberal and Conservative are way too general to really describe a person. They certainly are not self selecting based on virtue or lack thereof.
        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post




          Your amygdala taking over again.





          And what about the amygdala of the NYT ?
          NYT from October 31 2015 : ''A mass migration Crisis,and it may yet get worse ''.
          At the end of the article,you can read the following from Sonja Licht,of The International Center for Democratic Organisation ( A Soros Propaganda Institute located in Budapest,but now closed ) :
          " ....The global north must be prepared that the global south is on the move, the entire global south . This is not just a problem for Europe but for the whole world . ''
          In Africa alone there are more than 1 billion people .
          The henchwoman of Soros said also : ''I don't think this wave can stop .''
          This means : all these evil conservatives with a big amygdala must accept that it is over for them They will be replaced by people with a small amygdala .Nolens volens, willy-nilly .

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          • #80
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            Are any of these researchers an enemy of Trump? What sort of fairy tale will you create for this one?



            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793824/
            Researchers that say that results suggests ...
            You mean : charlatans ?

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            • #81
              You know from what I have read up recently Liberals and Conservatives are different when it comes to morality.

              the Core tenets of Morality is generally (Emotions they generally associate with)
              Care (Protectiveness & Compassion)
              Fairness (Gratitude, Anger & Guilt)
              Loyalty (Pride and a sense of belonging -to a group)
              Authority (Fear, Respect & Awe)
              Purity (Sanctity, Piety & Disgust)
              Liberty (Self-sufficiency & Defiance)

              Liberals score higher in the Care & Fairness category, but are notably lower than Conservatives in the other four, On the other hand Conservatives are not as high in Caring & Fairness they however higher than Liberals in the other four categories, in fact Conservatives are generally even in their applications of these tenets.

              In other words Liberals get a score of As in Care & Fairness but Fs every where else (one can argue for a D in liberty), Conservatives are Straight Cs (some C+, some C-), though this is in general. My own Test showed that im in line with liberals in Caring and Fairness but also in line with Conservatives in the other four.

              if one wanted to take the test
              https://www.idrlabs.com/morality/6/test.php


              On the other hand I have also read that More Conservatives are able to understand Liberal positions than Liberals are able to understand Conservative ones and that many a Liberal is surprised to find that Conservatives do have a sense of "fairness and justice", they just do not put as much emphasis on it as Liberals do and tend to come from different angles than Liberals tend to.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                As for your average illegal immigrant,

                Lets just say the average illegal is 25 and for this example the guy has no high school education , he dropped out in 8th grade but wants a better life in America. Well if we can make that man a legal citizen the so-called costs will be overcome very very shortly. Low estimates say that your average illegal immigrant will make at least $1 million in his or her lifetime regardless of their education

                There is no cost of making an illegal immigrant into a regular Citizen. This is a common sense issue . Every person in the world has value and in a country that is properly led by non-corrupt people every persons value will be felt greatly. So if the United States of America can be lead like it used to be lead by great people the opportunity will be there for not only American citizens but for many more people that want to become American citizens.


                Itís true that both Democrats and conservatives politicize this issue for the wrong reasons and itís costing the country. Thatís why one has got to a find away overnight or as soon as possible to give citizenship to the 11 million so-called illegals currently living in The USA.
                Common sense has apparently failed you in lieu of the usual liberal rhetoric. Explain, please, how giving this person the gift of citizenship solves any of the grave issues surrounding American today.

                You can start with why his hard work won't make Mexico's problems go away. That mythical "million dollars" in his lifetime goes a lot further in his native nation.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  As for your average illegal immigrant,

                  Lets just say the average illegal is 25 and for this example the guy has no high school education , he dropped out in 8th grade but wants a better life in America. Well if we can make that man a legal citizen the so-called costs will be overcome very very shortly. Low estimates say that your average illegal immigrant will make at least $1 million in his or her lifetime regardless of their education
                  Actually, this is untrue. If we assume this guy does about average over his lifetime, he will end up costing society while adding very little to it. His average cost to society will end up being $292,000.
                  At an expected annual income of about $20,000 he might make around $800,000 during years he could work. But, that's mitigated by him having a two to three times higher unemployment rate and likely being unemployed or under-employed for much of that. So, he might only make a small fraction of his potential earnings. He's three times as likely to be unemployed as a college graduate, and twice as likely as a high school graduate.
                  He will also almost entirely live at or below the poverty line meaning he will be eligible for various government programs like food stamps or welfare that subtract from his productive efforts.
                  The worst aspect is he is astronomically more likely to end up in prison at some point. A whopping 63 times more likely than a college graduate!

                  On the whole, our illegal is going to be a big drain on economic resources. So, why would we want to make him a legal citizen when he's already broken at least one law just getting in the US-- particularly given his chances of future crimes and incarceration?

                  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...f-high-school/

                  https://www.theclassroom.com/graduat...outs-1483.html


                  If all of the dropouts from the class of 2011 had earned diplomas, the nation would benefit from an estimated $154 billion in income over their working lifetimes.
                  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cause...JeGMpLmj80pD3g

                  That's a big whopping difference in productivity.

                  http://www.ncacinc.com/sites/default...HighCost-2.pdf

                  The US doesn't need uneducated, non-English speaking, losers from wherever as immigrants.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                    Go ahead and break those crime stats down... it wont mean much as there are no races as proven by a 1951 Un Report. If you see someone whom you identity as white or black, that same person might identify as a different color then what you would say, so your point is countered easily partner. Humans are of one group. The great Empires and Kingdoms of history were diverse. Christianity goes back in Africa to the start of Christianity. Some Trump supporters see what they want, when they think of Africa they only think of Huts, when they think of South America they only see crime, and when they think of the middle east they only see sand and the desert. But in all those areas, Catholicism once reigned and with that was a very honorable society.

                    Further and most important those of South America that are trying to get into the USA today, are descendants of the great Spanish Empire. Which at one time controlled areas of the modern USA, such as Florida. The picture that the anti immigrant crowd paints is a wrong one. The anti immigrant wants us all to think all the immigrants are black or Spanish folk. Fact is a good chunk are white people, a good many white Europeans are illegally working in the USA. Beyond that as for the Spaniards , Africans or Europeans illegally working or staying in the USA, most of them hail from some sort of Catholic background. Rwanda for example has a 50% + Catholic population and the USA has taken in Rwandan refugees, some are here in my area and they are excellent contributors to our country. Catholicism is big in Africa and South America its why these countries have a lower prison population compared to the USA, in those countries though there is poverty the family spirit is strong.

                    The illegal immigrants are doing what you or I would do, these folks are doing what they can to make there kids life better. Entering the USA illegally as a single person or an immigrant family is not a crime in the Lords eye, that much is certain.

                    You saw the stats anyway, so called illegals commit less crimes then regular American citizens. You know the stat we all know, the USA has the worlds largest prison population. It makes no sense to then worry about so called illegals making the USA more dangerous, we already have issues such as the school shootings and workplace shootings.

                    It is a good thing to find a solution to the 11 million illegals of the USA. By making them all citizens, such citizens will benefit our country more then they already have. Even at this point the 11 million illegals benefit the USA by spending billions on goods, that money goes to American citizens and the Gov in various ways.
                    ''So called illegals ''
                    I can't understand that a member of the Homo Sapiens is denying that criminals ( people who are violating the law by entering illegally the US ) are criminals .
                    Why not so called burglars ? Or so called rapists ?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                      Common sense has apparently failed you in lieu of the usual liberal rhetoric. Explain, please, how giving this person the gift of citizenship solves any of the grave issues surrounding American today.

                      You can start with why his hard work won't make Mexico's problems go away. That mythical "million dollars" in his lifetime goes a lot further in his native nation.
                      The reason is it is "mythical." Mexico does poorly in part because its population is poorly educated for the most part. As I demonstrated, persons with less than high school generally generate far less wealth than those that do graduate. In Mexico, and Central America, the education system is poor and often corrupt. That means most people don't get anything close to a high school education and the cycle of poverty never gets broken. Bringing such people to the US, today, won't fix that either. It will be several generations before their progeny become really productive. You can't fix families with poor education and poverty overnight. It takes generations to do that. A generous welfare state only prolongs the process.

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