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  • #76
    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    Sorry, but I doubt you actually know many, if any Republicans. Hence this reflects your recurring bias and prejudice which has both a racial and ideological leaning.

    I happen to be heavily involved with my local/county Republican party, know and associate with many of our GOP reps at State and Federal level, from personal experience have seen that they are fiscally and policy wise very Conservative. As far as GOP elected and campaigning Republicans here local are concerned, none are what could be objectively classed as RINOs.

    In contrast, the Democratic elected representatives, candidates, and other associated Demoncrats I personally know are true to the Leftist-socialist(communist) agenda that has come to dominate the DNC over the past few decades.

    There does exist a clear ideological divide. The problem/challenge is that when one party has a domination in Legislative branch, things like deficit and debt will continue. We've seen such here in my State where the Democrat dominated Legislature squandered a revenue(taxes) surplus, aided by an idiot Democratic governor, expanded the State Budget(debt) and added more taxes on top. Nominally about a 70% increase in taxes and state debt over the past several years that goes several times beyond population and economic growth levels we've had here.

    When your guv'mint is dominated by "tax and spend more than is reasonable" Democrats, no matter how Conservative your GOP reps may be, they are out-voted and near powerless to stem the destruction.
    No need to apologize, I don't put any weight behind baseless assumptions to care.

    If republicans truly care about our budget more than they care about their party, then at what point will a republican president propose one that would significantly reduce our short and long term debt? When will republicans demand a republican president to do so?

    There is not an ideological divide, there is a partisan divide, because again we see these ideologies change based on who's in power and based on what benefits the party.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      That doesn't clear him of the charge either.
      Dumb, but yes it does for those with a brain.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

        You're missing the point. This isn't a matter of differing political views, but rather a matter of standing behind the views you feel are best, even when that means calling out your own party.
        Jay;

        And my point was that 'what is best for the country' is the foundation of the two major parties(and assorted "third"s) and opposing "views", often at odds to each other, and hence why our nation has not been united in ideological/political "lock-step" since our founding.

        Over the months/years you and I have been at logger-heads/opposition on enough issues to illustrate this point. One persons "best" is often another "persons" worst. Also, the generic goal/agenda of a Party can not always match the personality of an individual whom claims to be member of and representative of that Party.

        As I've said here repeatedly, it's other this "political mess and complexity" or we all resort to bashing in heads and most violent and brutal is whom will rule.

        Which path would you rather pursue?

        I don't expect via my posts to change your views and positions. I learned long ago on these sorts of forums that is rather rare outcome. I present counter-points for sake of those whom are reading here but dis-inclined to post such that they have more options and perspectives to consider.

        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        2 examples.

        Liberals are supposed to be anti-war, yet remained silent when Obama continued the same violent foreign policies as Bush. Obvious hypocrisy since they painted Bush as a devil for his misguided use of force overseas. But, they didn't take Obama to task because they value party over country.

        Conservatives, same thing. Deficit is a big issue to them, until it's a republican running up the debt then suddenly they don't want to talk about it anymore. Again, choosing to look out for party instead of country.

        The few people who do call out the ills of their party are shunned for not playing team ball, which obviously only hurts the entire country in the long run.



        This doesn't have anything to do with what I said, but sometimes it's good to just vent. So I don't mind the off topic rant.
        Again, just "vents" and "rants" counter-pointing your "vents" and "rants".

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Massena View Post

          How?

          Read his mandate, which is online, and you'll actually find out what he was authorized to do.
          His mandate does not state the wish for his and his Hillary team's opinion. Just find the facts and present it. He went and pulled a Comey.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

            Someone can be in favor of wealth and independence while still being morally inept.



            This is another rant that's irrelevant to my statement. I agree that Hillary attracted the welfare state crowd and new age socialist. That is not what I was disputing. Again, economics are entirely separate from one's good nature, or lack of.
            Then you may need to restate what you were trying to say/express.

            Economics is DIRECTLY linked to one's "good nature" since on the one hand there is the ideal of "let me do for and provide for myself"; versus the other hand of "I'm entitled to the efforts and fruits of another person's labors".

            As I've repeatedly expressed in simpler terms; "makers versus takers".

            Economics is the foundation of all political systems(ideologies) and processes. Duh!
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Salinator View Post

              His mandate does not state the wish for his and his Hillary team's opinion. Just find the facts and present it. He went and pulled a Comey.
              To use your word: Bullshit.

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              • #82
                A slip of the mind...?

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                'President Donald Trump on Thursday offered conflicting signals on whether he believes Russia helped get him elected, but he claimed that he 'had nothing to do' with their efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.'

                Read the seventh paragraph in the article where it talks about Trump attempting to 'thwart' the investigation. That's obstruction of justice.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  To use your word: Bullshit.
                  Show me on the mandate where his personal opinion was required after presenting what he found? He is like a sore cop who is butthurt because he couldn't find any charges against suspect to stick.

                  "Until today, I have defended Mueller against the accusations that he is a partisan," Dershowitz writes. "I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached. But I have now changed my mind. By putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment based on obstruction of justice, Mueller has revealed his partisan bias. He also has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system."
                  Alan Dershowitz
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                    Jay;

                    And my point was that 'what is best for the country' is the foundation of the two major parties(and assorted "third"s) and opposing "views", often at odds to each other, and hence why our nation has not been united in ideological/political "lock-step" since our founding.

                    Over the months/years you and I have been at logger-heads/opposition on enough issues to illustrate this point.
                    As I've said here repeatedly, it's other this "political mess and complexity" or we all resort to bashing in heads and most violent and brutal is whom will rule.

                    Which path would you rather pursue?

                    I don't expect via my posts to change your views and positions. I learned long ago on these sorts of forums that is rather rare outcome. I present counter-points for sake of those whom are reading here but dis-inclined to post such that they have more options and perspectives to consider.



                    Again, just "vents" and "rants" counter-pointing your "vents" and "rants".

                    They're not counterpoints though because they don't address what I'm arguing.

                    One persons "best" is often another "persons" worst. Also, the generic goal/agenda of a Party can not always match the personality of an individual whom claims to be member of and representative of that Party.
                    If I'm wrong then simply tell me why liberals turn a blind eye to Obama's senseless wars? Or why conservatives turn a blind eye to republican presidents who do not balance the budget even when they control congress? Why do they turn a blind eye to republicans who significantly expand the size and scope of government? It's because they both prioritize party over country.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                      Then you may need to restate what you were trying to say/express.

                      Economics is DIRECTLY linked to one's "good nature" since on the one hand there is the ideal of "let me do for and provide for myself"; versus the other hand of "I'm entitled to the efforts and fruits of another person's labors".

                      As I've repeatedly expressed in simpler terms; "makers versus takers".

                      Economics is the foundation of all political systems(ideologies) and processes. Duh!

                      So if a self-made millionaire is a maker and commits murder, he's still a good person based on his economics..

                      Terrible logic.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                        Bullshit. He overstepped/overreached his in his task and position.
                        In your opinion. But in what way did he overstep?
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post


                          So if a self-made millionaire is a maker and commits murder, he's still a good person based on his economics..

                          Terrible logic.
                          It appears that money and the making of it is his priority.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                            In your opinion. But in what way did he overstep?
                            I'm with Alan Dershowitz:

                            "Until today, I have defended Mueller against the accusations that he is a partisan," Dershowitz writes. "I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached. But I have now changed my mind. By putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment based on obstruction of justice, Mueller has revealed his partisan bias. He also has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system."
                            Impeachment is a POLITICAL process. By favoring impeachment, he showed partisanship.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              That doesn't clear him of the charge either.
                              Well Komrade Kevin;
                              Anyone can make a "charge"/accusation. Challenge comes when presenting so to a truly objective, honorable 'judge' with integrity seeking to have same issue a "warrant for arrest".

                              In the case of "Trump; person and campaign" regards "collusion/co-operation" with "the Russians" to "undermine and influence/effect" "the outcome of the 2016 USA Presidential Elections"; there appears to be insufficient evidence to support such a warrant/indictment.

                              More to the point, the USA is not some tyranny/dictatorship or "people's republic" where everyone is guilty until proven innocent. We(USA) are just the opposite so in absence of convincing EVIDENCE to contrary, one is always presumed innocent unless and until PROVEN guilty.

                              It is rather disappointing that one whom claims to have served in defense of the Constitution(in USMC) and then to have taught such and history, displays such ignorance or opposition to the concepts and principles of that Constitution.

                              Were we to have applied the standards and positions of you and other anti-Trumpsters towards BHO, he would be a guest of the Federal Prison System wearing orange, and Barry and Michelle would not be enjoying their undeserved POTUS pension.

                              You remind me too much of Capt. Queeg, of "The Caine Mutiny";
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caine_Mutiny

                              Or maybe one of the cast in; "The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!";
                              https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...ans-Are-Coming
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                A slip of the mind...?

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                                'President Donald Trump on Thursday offered conflicting signals on whether he believes Russia helped get him elected, but he claimed that he 'had nothing to do' with their efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.'

                                Read the seventh paragraph in the article where it talks about Trump attempting to 'thwart' the investigation. That's obstruction of justice.
                                That would be this one(?);

                                " In his report on the investigation, Mueller outlined 10 instances where he alleged Trump attempted to thwart the probe, including efforts to have the special counsel removed. On the issue of Russian interference, while Mueller detailed the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia, he ultimately determined “that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy” between the two sides. While Mueller's report outlined a sweeping effort by Russian actors to meddle in the 2016 election to Trump's benefit, there has been no definitive evidence showing that their efforts were responsible for his upset victory. "

                                Meanwhile, where does the Fifth Amendment and "obstruction" separate? In your apparatchik mind Komrade?
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