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  • #61
    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    The reason there are two plus "teams" in the USA is because there are that many and more definitions of "do what's in your county's best interest".
    You're missing the point. This isn't a matter of differing political views, but rather a matter of standing behind the views you feel are best, even when that means calling out your own party.

    2 examples.

    Liberals are supposed to be anti-war, yet remained silent when Obama continued the same violent foreign policies as Bush. Obvious hypocrisy since they painted Bush as a devil for his misguided use of force overseas. But, they didn't take Obama to task because they value party over country.

    Conservatives, same thing. Deficit is a big issue to them, until it's a republican running up the debt then suddenly they don't want to talk about it anymore. Again, choosing to look out for party instead of country.

    The few people who do call out the ills of their party are shunned for not playing team ball, which obviously only hurts the entire country in the long run.

    We saw the two major variations in the 2016 election in form of "Make America Great Again" versus "beat down the Deplorables".

    So far, only "Russian influence in 2016" I've seen is they MIGHT have had a role in exposing email from the DNC/HRC restating evidence they are the slime and scum most Americans already knew them to be. No evidence of any ballots being altered or any vote tallies changed. IF Russian "influence/interference" swayed any meaningful number of USA voters to not vote for Hillary, it was far less than what resulted from usual campaign adverts and efforts with domestic origin and source.

    We saw two years of wasted effort and millions of taxpayer dollar$ squandered in a kangaroo court form "investigation" which only produced procedural and perriferial "convictions", none of which directly relate to or prove "Russian interference" or "Trump campaign collusions with the Russians".

    Your "one team" idea is what they had in USSR, and have in Cuba, Venezuela, and People's Republic and Workers Paradise of China. We've seen how well that works for a nation and it's citizens.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said, but sometimes it's good to just vent. So I don't mind the off topic rant.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

      He's a RINO then.
      The republican party has essentially shifted to the platform of RINOs so it makes no difference. There are very few true republicans in office or in the country.
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      • #63
        All you Mueller supporters keep muttering that he is a Republican. That means absolutely nothing. You guys seem to be oblivious to the fact that there are plenty of Republicans that were/are sputtering Never-Trumper including many in the House and Senate.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
          All you Mueller supporters keep muttering that he is a Republican. That means absolutely nothing. You guys seem to be oblivious to the fact that there are plenty of Republicans that were/are sputtering Never-Trumper including many in the House and Senate.
          Mueller was assigned a job and did it. If you want to blame someone it should be congress or Rosenstein.

          Or, was the expectation for Mueller to cover for Trump? Is that the issue?
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Massena View Post

            You're 'constructing' a moral equivalence that does not exist as well as giving the Russians an excuse, which is tantamount to support.
            I won't return the insult.

            Some of us are more concerned with the message than the messenger. It's not support for Russia, it's about the corruption of the demoRats.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              Mueller was assigned a job and did it. If you want to blame someone it should be congress or Rosenstein.

              Or, was the expectation for Mueller to cover for Trump? Is that the issue?
              Mueller's job was to find collusion, and he found nothing. His claim that he would have said Trump was innocent if he truly thought so is the bullshit. Can't find proof, that is all he had to say, not give a hack opinion to further push cloud the issue and further stymie the government with the Dem House continuing to push for this clown show of a kangaroo court.

              You: but, but, but, Mueller is a Republican.
              Me: So? McCain was a Republican and he was also a TDS suffering clown.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                Dershowitz is a Democrat in name . He defended OJ, heís a successful big time lawyer but also massively pro Israel. Like some other democrats heís a Democrat in name Imo. One cannot defend the Governments of countries like Israel or Saudi Arabia and claim to be standing for democratic values. Donít take any of my points the wrong way Iím just pointing out that some modern Democrats are standing for the wrong things. Turn to other Democrats if you want to hear out those whom properly follow the democratic ways.


                Dershowitz is no political ally of trump's and is a democrat. Despite this, he trashed Mueller.

                Nothing you said diminishes my point.
                Weird how you would think that being pro-Israel would make one lose credibility.

                Especially on an issue that has nothing to do with Israel.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                  Mueller's job was to find collusion, and he found nothing. His claim that he would have said Trump was innocent if he truly thought so is the bullshit. Can't find proof, that is all he had to say, not give a hack opinion to further push cloud the issue and further stymie the government with the Dem House continuing to push for this clown show of a kangaroo court.

                  You: but, but, but, Mueller is a Republican.
                  Me: So? McCain was a Republican and he was also a TDS suffering clown.
                  Most good willed people had an issue with Trump, that doesn't automatically mean that they can no longer be objective. At the moment, the general public doesn't know enough about the report to make a determination as to whether or not Mueller is being unfair.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                    Most good willed people had an issue with Trump, that doesn't automatically mean that they can no longer be objective. At the moment, the general public doesn't know enough about the report to make a determination as to whether or not Mueller is being unfair.
                    Bullshit. He overstepped/overreached his in his task and position.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                      The republican party has essentially shifted to the platform of RINOs so it makes no difference. There are very few true republicans in office or in the country.
                      Sorry, but I doubt you actually know many, if any Republicans. Hence this reflects your recurring bias and prejudice which has both a racial and ideological leaning.

                      I happen to be heavily involved with my local/county Republican party, know and associate with many of our GOP reps at State and Federal level, from personal experience have seen that they are fiscally and policy wise very Conservative. As far as GOP elected and campaigning Republicans here local are concerned, none are what could be objectively classed as RINOs.

                      In contrast, the Democratic elected representatives, candidates, and other associated Demoncrats I personally know are true to the Leftist-socialist(communist) agenda that has come to dominate the DNC over the past few decades.

                      There does exist a clear ideological divide. The problem/challenge is that when one party has a domination in Legislative branch, things like deficit and debt will continue. We've seen such here in my State where the Democrat dominated Legislature squandered a revenue(taxes) surplus, aided by an idiot Democratic governor, expanded the State Budget(debt) and added more taxes on top. Nominally about a 70% increase in taxes and state debt over the past several years that goes several times beyond population and economic growth levels we've had here.

                      When your guv'mint is dominated by "tax and spend more than is reasonable" Democrats, no matter how Conservative your GOP reps may be, they are out-voted and near powerless to stem the destruction.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post



                        Dershowitz is no political ally of trump's and is a democrat. Despite this, he trashed Mueller.

                        Nothing you said diminishes my point.
                        Weird how you would think that being pro-Israel would make one lose credibility.

                        Especially on an issue that has nothing to do with Israel.
                        It's possible he's a neo-nazi in ideology but fails to know or admit such.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                          Most good willed people had an issue with Trump, that doesn't automatically mean that they can no longer be objective. At the moment, the general public doesn't know enough about the report to make a determination as to whether or not Mueller is being unfair.
                          On the contrary, most "good willed" people voted for Trump, since they fall in that "deplorable" category of wanting to be self-supportive and wealth producing, true to USA founding principles and values.

                          It was the opposite sort, the "take and loot" willed people whom voted for Hillary Clinton and the continued agenda of bankrupting and destroying/dis-solving America.

                          Check the polling's and notice that Trump still outdoes community organizer predecessor as far as the USA public is concerned. Also, most of the downward trends set by BHO have been reversed and are climbing.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                            On the contrary, most "good willed" people voted for Trump, since they fall in that "deplorable" category of wanting to be self-supportive and wealth producing, true to USA founding principles and values.
                            Someone can be in favor of wealth and independence while still being morally inept.

                            It was the opposite sort, the "take and loot" willed people whom voted for Hillary Clinton and the continued agenda of bankrupting and destroying/dis-solving America.

                            Check the polling's and notice that Trump still outdoes community organizer predecessor as far as the USA public is concerned. Also, most of the downward trends set by BHO have been reversed and are climbing.

                            MAGA!
                            This is another rant that's irrelevant to my statement. I agree that Hillary attracted the welfare state crowd and new age socialist. That is not what I was disputing. Again, economics are entirely separate from one's good nature, or lack of.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                              Bullshit. He overstepped/overreached his in his task and position.
                              How?

                              Read his mandate, which is online, and you'll actually find out what he was authorized to do.

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                              • #75
                                Further, this article sheds light on who is honest and who is not:

                                https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/30/polit...ims/index.html

                                'One day after special counsel Robert Mueller publicly refused to exonerate President Donald Trump and hinted at potential impeachment, the President responded Thursday with an avalanche of widely debunked lies about the investigation and its findings.'
                                'Over a few hours Thursday morning, Trump spread several lies and falsehoods about the Russia investigation, Mueller's findings, the cost of the probe, and the legal restrictions that Mueller faced when grappling with the possibility of a President who broke the law.'

                                The bottom line is that Mueller did not exonerate Trump as Trump continues to insist on as well as Barr in his four page 'summary.'

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