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  • Inequality Myths

    Another reminder not to buy into the Far-Left's constant attempts to define everything in ways that suit themselves.

    See the link for references, it mainly comes from the US Census and the UN.


    According to the FBI, in the last decade or two the rate of firearms death is down 50% and the rate of non-fatal firearms crime is down 75%.
    Child labor is down 50% worldwide, Global gender inequality is down 15% while Global longevity and education are up 20% (UN) and Global income is up 40% (World Bank).

    Reality; unlike what the Socialists try to hammer into your head, Profit is NOT the same thing as Plunder. Profit is good, Plundering money from other people (even if you have the power of Govt backing you) is not.

    Equality and inequality, in reality, are simply concepts that change over time. Most people don't understand this.

    The poor and the middle class are declining because more people are getting richer.

    The world as a whole is becoming much better off, and this trend has accelerated since the fall of Communism.

    This last one is a key item.
    When Thomas Malthus stated in about the year 1800 that a crisis was imminent because the world could not possibly sustain a population of one Billion (thus establishing modern Leftism) over 90% of the world's people lived in poverty. In your Grandparents time, it was down to 65%. When your parents were born, it was just over 40%. When today's College students were born, it was 30%. Today, it is about 10%. (World Bank stats).

    The cable news feed you weird crap because that's what sells, its not the truth about daily life.

    More, including links to sources;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtxuy-GJwCo&t=620s

    "Why is the Rum gone?"

    -Captain Jack

  • #2
    We still have a long way to go before people are judged by the content of their character not their superficial identity. That is the dream but the reality is we will never completely eliminate prejudice. Most people cannot seem to understand that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      ..... Most people cannot seem to understand that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
      Perfection is a myth used by con-artists to denigrate people who are doing good things.
      Once enough people become stupid enough to believe them, that's the end.
      "Why is the Rum gone?"

      -Captain Jack

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      • #4
        Your post has nothing to do with the title of the thread.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #5
          Profit is "good" only in moderation. Otherwise, is is gouging the customers, like Big Oil does year after year.

          Statistics are now useless in a society where numbers are artificially under-reported or lessened by not being reported at all, such as when Fart, Barf and Itch announced a decrease in violent crime nation wide, and then revealed that they had stopped reporting rape as a violent crime, along with two other categories.

          People lie.
          Government lies exponetially.
          The media just makes it up in the first place.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            I am dubious of your numbers. In Canada, a very wealthy nation, 1 in 7 people are in poverty. Makes me think your 10% global is inaccurate.
            https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1110001501

            Also on firearm deaths. Greater survive-ability of firearms assault has been attributed to improved emergency care - death per assaults that is. You might also want to look at the CDC data on gun related homicide (as well as suicide). It disagrees with the OP and shows a steady increase. It's a bit harder to find some information post 2015 because of the NRA's lobbying to cut gun violence research funding.
            Last edited by Duncan; 22 May 19, 20:27.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Duncan View Post
              I am dubious of your numbers. In Canada, a very wealthy nation, 1 in 7 people are in poverty. Makes me think your 10% global is inaccurate.
              https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1110001501
              Well, if you think the World Bank got it wrong, they complain to the UN about it.

              Or maybe just keep that in mind the next time I call B.S. on UN stats.
              "Why is the Rum gone?"

              -Captain Jack

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Profit is "good" only in moderation. Otherwise, is is gouging the customers, like Big Oil does year after year.

                Statistics are now useless in a society where numbers are artificially under-reported or lessened by not being reported at all, such as when Fart, Barf and Itch announced a decrease in violent crime nation wide, and then revealed that they had stopped reporting rape as a violent crime, along with two other categories.

                People lie.
                Government lies exponetially.
                The media just makes it up in the first place.
                Between 1993 and 2017. Using the BJS data, the rate of violent crime fell 74%.

                From the BJS website.

                Violent crime includes murder, rape and sexual assault, robbery, and assault. Information about murder is obtained on a yearly basis from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports. There are two measures for nonfatal violence—the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) and the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). NCVS measures rape or sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault.
                I agree with you that the statistics are unlikely to be completely accurate but a lie of the magnitude you are suggesting would be national news.

                The real "lie" is that the data in the raw is meaningless unless it is put in demographic perspective.

                Adolphe Quetelet (1831/1984) found that the proportion of the population involved in crime tends to peak in adolescence or early adulthood and then decline with age. In contemporary times, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR) arrest data (1935–1997), particularly the Crime Index (homicide, robbery, rape, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny-theft, auto theft), document the consistency of the age effect on crime. They also reveal a long-term trend toward younger age-crime distributions in more modern times. Today, the peak age-crime involvement (the age group with the highest age-spe-cific arrest rate) is younger than 25 for all crimes reported in the FBI’s UCR pro-gram except gambling, and rates begin to decline in the late teenage years for more than half of the UCR crimes. Even the median age (50% of all arrests occurring among younger persons) is younger than 30 for most crimes.
                https://www.sagepub.com/sites/defaul...Chapter_23.pdf

                A good deal of the reduction in crime is due to fewer males in the high crime age group.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                  I agree with you that the statistics are unlikely to be completely accurate but a lie of the magnitude you are suggesting would be national news..
                  It was reported.

                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Duncan View Post
                    I am dubious of your numbers. In Canada, a very wealthy nation, 1 in 7 people are in poverty. Makes me think your 10% global is inaccurate.
                    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1110001501

                    Also on firearm deaths. Greater survive-ability of firearms assault has been attributed to improved emergency care - death per assaults that is. You might also want to look at the CDC data on gun related homicide (as well as suicide). It disagrees with the OP and shows a steady increase. It's a bit harder to find some information post 2015 because of the NRA's lobbying to cut gun violence research funding.
                    The way Canada defines poverty is a little confusing, $22,133 for a single person, or $38,335 for a family of three. In comparison in the U.S. the 2018 poverty guideline for a family of four is $25,100.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                      The way Canada defines poverty is a little confusing, $22,133 for a single person, or $38,335 for a family of three. In comparison in the U.S. the 2018 poverty guideline for a family of four is $25,100.
                      But where is that valid? A lot of families live on less than that, and retired military personnel like myself make less than half that amount.

                      Once again, if the government says it, they're lying. Third Rule of the Universe.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        But where is that valid? A lot of families live on less than that, and retired military personnel like myself make less than half that amount.

                        Once again, if the government says it, they're lying. Third Rule of the Universe.
                        You are on me like a dog on a bone
                        We hunt the hunters

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                          You are on me like a dog on a bone
                          Not even close.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                            Another reminder not to buy into the Far-Left's constant attempts to define everything in ways that suit themselves.

                            See the link for references, it mainly comes from the US Census and the UN.


                            According to the FBI, in the last decade or two the rate of firearms death is down 50% and the rate of non-fatal firearms crime is down 75%.
                            Child labor is down 50% worldwide, Global gender inequality is down 15% while Global longevity and education are up 20% (UN) and Global income is up 40% (World Bank).

                            Reality; unlike what the Socialists try to hammer into your head, Profit is NOT the same thing as Plunder. Profit is good, Plundering money from other people (even if you have the power of Govt backing you) is not.

                            Equality and inequality, in reality, are simply concepts that change over time. Most people don't understand this.

                            The poor and the middle class are declining because more people are getting richer.

                            The world as a whole is becoming much better off, and this trend has accelerated since the fall of Communism.

                            This last one is a key item.
                            When Thomas Malthus stated in about the year 1800 that a crisis was imminent because the world could not possibly sustain a population of one Billion (thus establishing modern Leftism) over 90% of the world's people lived in poverty. In your Grandparents time, it was down to 65%. When your parents were born, it was just over 40%. When today's College students were born, it was 30%. Today, it is about 10%. (World Bank stats).

                            The cable news feed you weird crap because that's what sells, its not the truth about daily life.

                            More, including links to sources;

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtxuy-GJwCo&t=620s
                            Item one, I know we are in the "visual" age a.k.a "YouTube", but I'd still prefer text sources and references, so if you have such to provide ....

                            Item two: "Profit is NOT the same thing as Plunder." I like this phrase, expression. It seems with so few understanding basic economics, let alone basic business, we find both "capitalism" and "profit" being cast as social negatives when History shows both to be the best of social positives when it comes to "floating all boats" and being the best methods to advance individual well being and enrichment.
                            Last edited by G David Bock; 23 May 19, 19:26.

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                            • #15
                              Hm... looks like the FBI also disagrees with the OP.
                              https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-4.xls

                              And the plunder vs profit thing. Do you include as plunder stealing the financial benefit of someone else's labour? Stealing a man's share of the profit generated from his labour? Do you include speculation as profit or as manipulation and theft?

                              Now here's a challenge - go to wherever the last school massacre was in the USA. Gather the parents of the dead children and say, "Don't worry. Check out this video I found. Everything is ok."

                              Get the Waltons and Wallmart employees together and demonstrate how the family's 12th(?) largest economy in the world should not be shared with the people who make it possible. Go to a family who is facing a death from diabetes because they must ration the insulin they cannot afford, has lost their home to medical expences, and is engaging GoFundMe, as one of the now largest providers of healthcare coverage in the USA, and say - hey profit before your mother's life man. We won't have you plundering the good pharma's profit margin nor spending good tax money on staying alive when it could go to bailing out banks.
                              Last edited by Duncan; 24 May 19, 19:46.
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