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  • #31
    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    He works for Deep State, thus he knows very well that DS exists, but ,for the moment,the orders of his bosses are to deny the existence of DS.
    Absolute nonsense, using a source that is not credible.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      And Wikipedia is such a reliable reference...
      It's way better than the msn spam that you spew on a hourly basis. You put up 3 to 4 fake news stories every day and you have the gall to question anything?
      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post

        It's way better than the msn spam that you spew on a hourly basis. You put up 3 to 4 fake news stories every day and you have the gall to question anything?
        No, it isn't. And the Wikipedia article you referenced doesn't support your point of view. Didn't you read it before you posted it? And if you believe that the news reports I referenced are 'fake' then point out the portions that are. Neither you nor anyone else who follows the 'fake news' drivel from Trump have done that.

        And what about Trump being on video saying what he says, most of it being lies and misrepresentations? And you support this person? That says much more about you (and none of it good) than it does about me.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
          No, just suggesting that the idea of ending government corruption is fanciful. If the Greeks, Romans, Catholic Church, Bolsheviks et al were incapable of doing it, why would people think it could be possible in the good old USA?
          They can't even end government corruption in Canada. If Canucks can't do it, then no one can.



          Well, since the human animal is corrupt by nature, and since his corruption grows exponentially whenever he's grouped in numbers of 1 or more, perhaps the only way to curb government corruption -- short of killing all the humans -- is to limit government's writ to the greatest extent practicable. Can't eliminate corruption, but maybe you can put a leash on it.

          Maybe . . . .
          I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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          • #35
            Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

            They can't even end government corruption in Canada. If Canucks can't do it, then no one can.


            is to limit government's writ to the greatest extent practicable..

            Maybe . . . .
            How ?
            By eliminating liberals who want to increase government's power ad infinitum .

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
              ...just suggesting that the idea of ending government corruption is fanciful...
              I agree.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                He who? I don't work for anyone as I am retired. And I have no 'bosses' with the exception of She Who Must Be Obeyed.

                So, genius, get a grip. Conspiracy theories are taking over your ability to think clearly and logically.
                1 FBI/ CIA/ etc are the private police of DS and their henchmen : the Democrats .
                2 Massena is saying that it is illegal to criticise the FBI /CIA / etc
                3 When a prominent member of the FBI /CIA is openly saying on the CIA TV station (the Clinton News Network ) that if Trump is not obeying the orders of DS, the FBI/CIA will kill him , Massena remains silent
                4 When DS agitprops are exhorting to kill Trump and to destroy the White House, Massena remains silent .
                5 I could fill a lot of pages with examples of the silence of Massena,when DS is talking...
                6 Conclusion : Massena is a faithful servant of DS .
                & Being retired is meaningless : Stefan Halper also is (officialy ) retired .

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                • #38
                  Glenn Greenwald, editor of the left-wing The Intercept ,said the following on February 15 2017 :
                  ''CIA/ DS abuse of spy powers to subvert elected Govt is dangerous . ''
                  Greenwald admitted
                  1 the existence of DS
                  2 that the CIA/ DS was abusing its spy powers to subvert the elected Govt of the US .
                  And Massena knows very well that Greenwald is not a supporter of Trump .

                  Now, we will have to wait some time on an answer from Massena, as the rule is that DS agents must first ask the advice from DS before answering difficult questions .And, I don/t know when the office of DS in Washington DC , 91 East Soros Street,is closing .

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                    You have to extend the logic of term limits to the "deep state" for me to accept that conditions are such that it would be a significant improvement. The code of federal regulations are what we are actually governed by to a large extent. Congress having long ago abdicated their responsibility to the executive branch it would be necessary if you wished to go back to the way things were that all of the code be rewritten by congress as law which is if nothing else impractical. My argument against term limits however is primarily not a pragmatic one.

                    Washington voluntarily declined an additional term setting the standard for the elimination of political dynasties. The key word is voluntarily. Our system of government is reliant on "spiritual" understanding by our leadership of the conditions that make liberty possible. To large extent that means that not only the leadership but the people must be self governing to a large extent. The "spiritual" aspect comes from the idea that a disciplined attitude towards self interest is necessary. Such a state of enlightenment cannot be imposed by term limits or any other regulation it must come from the "soul". The "soul" of the country has long been corrupted by "practicality" what others have called progressive ideas.
                    So, in less than a thousands words, it's broke and can't be fixed. And yet oddly enough, the government controls the populace with a constant torrent of new rules and regulations totally devoid of"soul" or "spirit" or even intelligence.

                    And that is why the Founding Fathers gave the right and duty of revolution to the people in the specific event that this happened.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                      So, in less than a thousands words, it's broke and can't be fixed. And yet oddly enough, the government controls the populace with a constant torrent of new rules and regulations totally devoid of"soul" or "spirit" or even intelligence.

                      And that is why the Founding Fathers gave the right and duty of revolution to the people in the specific event that this happened.
                      I have argued in the past that the downfall of Rome was in part do to an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats and a ruling class that embraced that system out of unenlightened self interest. Just as Barack Obama was American in name only the Roman bureaucrats were often Roman in name only. The "elite" class seeing themselves as sophisticated citizens of the world or globalists is nothing new.

                      In many ways the situation in the U.S. is similar to the dystopian European Union. While direct democracy has historically proven to be tyrannical that does not mean that turning power over to unelected bureaucrats is the solution to a population unwilling and intellectually unprepared to govern themselves.

                      Bureaucracy is a race to the bottom. The saying that those that can't do become teachers is equally applicable to bureaucrats. An example in fact can be found in our Universities where huge increases in administrative staff have seen cost spiral out of control while the quality of education continues to radically decline. Equity, diversity and inclusion having destroyed the humanities is now poised to destroy the STEM fields. It is little wonder that administrators that are themselves marginally competition, chosen by cronyism, infected by spiteful mutant memes they lack the intellectual capacity to fully evaluate, hypocritically self interested careerists, and detached from legislative oversight would prefer a system that evaluates success not on competency but rather on meaningless abstractions.

                      It is ironic that the solution is the cause of many problems. The justification for ever increasing bureaucratic oversight is the very real increase in complexity. Increasing bureaucracy adds to complexity creating a spiralling descent into dysfunction. Just as the growth of the Roman empire caused a need for ever increasing bureaucratic control our political system has been unable to keep pace with expanding complexity. The logical solution would have been decentralization of the political process. Unfortunately slavery and Jim Crow broke the back of state rights. Redistribution while not inherently evil has given to much power to a central government of questionable competency. It's the strings attached by bureaucrats to redistribution that has alienated the population from the political process.

                      The two things that must restored before addressing the political issues is an intellectual community that believes in freewill and has restored faith in hierarchies of competence. The scientific community has become the unwitting conspirators in the left's attempt to undermine social structures by deligitimizing individual responsibility. Additionally the entire intellectual community has been demoralized by two World Wars and subsequent cold war. This demoralization has lead to a general misunderstanding of the nature of hierarchies of competence. Hierarchies of competence are not inherently good they are inherently necessary.

                      We hunt the hunters

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                      • #41
                        How was Obama American in name only?

                        And do you actually understand what a Roman was?
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                        Comment

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