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    Unbelievable, a 25 year old man admitted to the rape of a 14 year old girl, his punishment?
    $375.00 for court fees, $1,000.00 to register as an offender, and 10 years probation.

    https://www.watertowndailytimes.com/...-rape-20190426
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    You support one in the White House, how do you accept that
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
        You support one in the White House, how do you accept that
        From 2009 to 2016, the VP of Obama. Now that he wants to run for President, his harassment of women has suddenly become an issue?

        To the topic at hand, one can easily get far more time in jail for the mere possession of photos and videos involving children then for being convicted of doing the actual dirty deed. Why?
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
          You support one in the White House, how do you accept that
          Stay on point.
          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

            From 2009 to 2016, the VP of Obama. Now that he wants to run for President, his harassment of women has suddenly become an issue?

            To the topic at hand, one can easily get far more time in jail for the mere possession of photos and videos involving children then for being convicted of doing the actual dirty deed. Why?
            There is no logic to this, zero. How can this judge look himself in the mirror ?
            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
              Stay on point.
              He is on point. The OP is about laxity regarding sex offenders. And by Trump's own words on tape, he is a sex offender and has not been either prosecuted or punished.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                He is on point. The OP is about laxity regarding sex offenders. And by Trump's own words on tape, he is a sex offender and has not been either prosecuted or punished.
                TDS
                We hunt the hunters

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                  TDS
                  Thank you for replying to the troll.
                  I refuse to converse with him.
                  Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                  Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CarlSnow
                    Months ago I stopped visiting Armchair General, because it’s become overwhelmed with politics. I would have responded with stories about Jimmy Savile. Top celebrities judges and many people in positions of power. Jeffrey Epstein had a team of criminals providing 12-year-olds to his connected friends. Savile was knighted. Why does the secret service not report on an ex-president visiting Epstein‘s island. Roman Polanski who has been defended by Meryl Streep. Cyril Smith, protected by the British elites. 1400 young girls abused by Pakistani gangs, who and why are these people being protected. Dennis Hastert speaker of the house is an admitted serial child molester. 3rd in line to become president of the US. No one knew? Please do not troll me by telling me that Donald Trump is a pedophile. I don’t believe that. Dr Edward Dutton has a YouTube video, which I can no longer find, that explains how so many pedophiles because of their personalities are able to rise to positions of such power. What I can’t grasp is why are they protected?
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wnPwZEf3jI&t=19s
                    We hunt the hunters

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                      To the topic at hand, one can easily get far more time in jail for the mere possession of photos and videos involving children then for being convicted of doing the actual dirty deed. Why?
                      Because photos and video are hard evidence.

                      For the act, unless the suspect confesses, you have a kids word against an adults. Worst of all, the kid ends up on the stand for cross.

                      The deal in question was a plea bargain, because quite often prosecutors do not want to put the victim on the stand.

                      So now you wait for him to screw up; ten years is a long time, and probation violation is an easy offense to prove; in most states its just a hearing, not a trial.

                      Its far from a perfect solution, but it beats letting them go free.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        Gentlemen, we have umpteen threads about Trump. Please stay on topic. This thread clearly involves those who have been charged and brought to trial. - ACG Staff

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                        • #13
                          Arnold, photos and videos downloaded on a computer are only evidence that the guy is a pervert. DNA recovered from a medical examination of the victim that match that of the molester is hard evidence of doing the dirty deeds.

                          Apparently, while 15, even with consent, or nothing more then hearsay as evidence, which put a friend of mine in prison for several years, will get you 20, admitting to the rape of a 14 year old will only get you probation.

                          The local link that shows up a day late and a dollar short.
                          https://www.wnem.com/no-prison-time-...RHiVdcqwzgN0cI
                          “Breaking News,”

                          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                            Arnold, photos and videos downloaded on a computer are only evidence that the guy is a pervert. DNA recovered from a medical examination of the victim that match that of the molester is hard evidence of doing the dirty deeds.

                            Apparently, while 15, even with consent, or nothing more then hearsay as evidence, which put a friend of mine in prison for several years, will get you 20, admitting to the rape of a 14 year old will only get you probation.

                            The local link that shows up a day late and a dollar short.
                            https://www.wnem.com/no-prison-time-...RHiVdcqwzgN0cI
                            Possession of photos and video of child porn is a felony, and a simple one to prove. That just for simple possession; if they share their collection or trade images with others, it gets extremely ugly extremely fast.

                            Sure, DNA is great, but it is rarely gotten, mainly because molestation cases often don't surface until years later.

                            When you try to compare cases you must remember that there are 50 different state codes, the quality of evidence, investigation, and prosecution varies wildly. Likewise the quality of the defense team. And the circumstances of the case.

                            Sometimes probation is the best that can be hoped for.

                            You should see the difficulties of a molestation case where the victim is less than a year old...
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                              Arnold, photos and videos downloaded on a computer are only evidence that the guy is a pervert. DNA recovered from a medical examination of the victim that match that of the molester is hard evidence of doing the dirty deeds.

                              Apparently, while 15, even with consent, or nothing more then hearsay as evidence, which put a friend of mine in prison for several years, will get you 20, admitting to the rape of a 14 year old will only get you probation.

                              The local link that shows up a day late and a dollar short.
                              https://www.wnem.com/no-prison-time-...RHiVdcqwzgN0cI
                              To explain a bit further:

                              1) Photos and Videos of child porn are illegal, and once you get PC for a search warrant, they're easily obtainable and easy to store as evidence. It's also 'hard evidence' of the sort that aside from fighting the search warrant, the defense cannot successfully impeach during a cross examination. In short, it's evidence that a prosecutor is pretty much always willing to take to trial, and since the 'victim' doesn't have to testify per se, you have a case where you're not worried about 're-victimizing' the victim.

                              2) Well.....yes....15 is under the age of consent in pretty much all states (I believe 16 is the current lowest, but I might be wrong in the case of UT or AL). Therefore a 15 year old CANNOT consent to sex with an adult, and (again depending on the state the wording will change) it would be Statutory Rape or Statutory Sex Offense depending on the act committed. In my state you'd be looking at a maximum of potentially Life, but more realistically 2-17 years active time with lifetime registry requirements depending on your criminal history and the circumstances. In fact, in my state (NC) there is a specific notation within the statute that says Consent is not a defense.

                              3) The active time and such described above is presuming the case went to trial, and presuming the person was found guilty. From practical experience I can say that most district attorneys are loath to take one of these cases to trial for two reasons: The victim doesn't want to testify (and honestly, who can blame them), or the DA doesn't want to go through the sort of nasty trial that results and roll the dice on the jury (one famous case was Hillary Clinton getting a rapist off and gleefully recounting how she revictimized the victim and destroyed them on cross examination in the eyes of the jury). Thus, most DA's will offer pleas, even 'sweetheart pleas' to sex offense cases if the victim/family isn't 100% behind fighting it to the death.

                              Not to quarterback your 'friends' circumstance, but I could opine that they either had a victim/family that was hell-bent on 'fullest extent of the law', a prosecutor that was equally hell bent, or they committed the offense in a jurisdiction that takes a much harder line on that crime. Kind of like if you were being tried for Murder, you might want to be tried in New York rather than Texas......
                              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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