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  • AZ 6 - AL 5

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-dependent-federal-government-180735773.html

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    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

  • #2
    I can't speak for each state involved in this "study" as I don't know what their particular situation is. But in Arizona's case, the methodology is somewhat flawed.

    First, 44.3% of Arizona's land is federally controlled. Much of that is in the form of Indian reservations. Next, the study doesn't make any differentiation on how individual states generate revenue. That is, they don't look at low tax versus high tax states.

    The methodology used is simply to divide intergovernmental federal money by state tax money and arrive at a percentage or ratio.

    https://www.gao.gov/fiscal_outlook/s...mental_revenue

    Thus, the states in the study that come out "best" are high state and local tax ones (usually deep blue). This is because high local taxes dilutes the federal funding ratio as calculated. Low tax states generally fare poorly by comparison. So, the study makes the conclusion that the most dependent states are ones that have low tax rates and get more federal money.

    But, that argument doesn't hold water. Federal money here comes in a number of different uses and how much a state gets will be dependent on a number of disparate factors not accounted for by the methodology used.

    So, it's largely a meaningless exercise.

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    • #3
      How does AZ generate money with out parking old airplanes. Your still # 6 way behind CA
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Article itself admits ranking is imperfect and they had to fiddle with the numbers to get the rankings they did.

        Article irrelevant as a state recieving federal funding does not preclude state voters from noting that said spending is unsustainable and needs to be replaced with a better system. Taking one treatment does not bar a patient from seeking better alternatives.

        Article is a red herring as it fails to present counter proposal for said unsustainable system and does not address said voter concerns.

        Try again Half Pint. Irrelevant data isn't a solution and meritocrats are sold on solutions, not posturing.
        A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
          How does AZ generate money with out parking old airplanes. Your still # 6 way behind CA
          Intel's Chandler AZ plant. The silicon in "Silicon Valley" is in Arizona, not California...



          Or, building about half the missiles the US uses, the Raytheon plant in Tucson...



          Need avionics and auxiliary power plants for aircraft? Honeywell Arizona



          Just a few of the big manufacturers that make stuff in Arizona...

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          • #6
            Still #6 behind AL.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
              Article itself admits ranking is imperfect and they had to fiddle with the numbers to get the rankings they did.

              Article irrelevant as a state recieving federal funding does not preclude state voters from noting that said spending is unsustainable and needs to be replaced with a better system. Taking one treatment does not bar a patient from seeking better alternatives.

              Article is a red herring as it fails to present counter proposal for said unsustainable system and does not address said voter concerns.

              Try again Half Pint. Irrelevant data isn't a solution and meritocrats are sold on solutions, not posturing.
              Your in MO. Go back to Auties basement
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                Your in MO. Go back to Auties basement
                Ad hominem. Try again.
                A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                • #9
                  California is #35. Sounds good...

                  ...except CA has more welfare recipients - percentage wise - than any other state in the Union.
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                  "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                    Still #6 behind AL.
                    According to a meaningless measure as I pointed out.

                    Here's a good poverty map:



                    In Arizona, almost all of the impoverished areas are due to high concentrations of one or two influences: Tribal reservations and or concentrations of persons with limited ability to read, write, and speak English (eg., legal and illegal immigrants who recently arrived).
                    It's also interesting to note, that voting Democrat in Arizona corresponds very closely with poverty. The more impoverished a county or area is, the more likely it is to vote Democrat. Hence, why Arizona's neighbor New Mexico goes Democrat in most elections. It's heavily impoverished.
                    Since the tribal areas are entirely funded by federal funds, with ZERO state input, this heavily skews Arizona's rating in the OP article.

                    Of course, all that will get ignored by Progressives like HPJ because it doesn't fit their desire to bash all things non-Progressive.

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                    • #11
                      Food Stamp recipients by political party-

                      Republican 10%
                      Democrat 22%
                      https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...mp-recipients/
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                      "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                      • #12
                        Good for Kansas and Nebraska
                        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          Still #6 behind AL.
                          Don't let facts in the way of a good lie, eh.
                          Matthew 25:14-30. Jesus tells that it is not sufficient merely to maintain things as they are. Those who await should make good use of the gifts that God has provided them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OJsDad View Post

                            Don't let facts in the way of a good lie, eh.
                            That hasn't ever stopped him yet.
                            The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                            • #15
                              60% of the property in Idaho is federal, in Utah it’s over 70%, Nevada is likewise mostly federal land,. This land is mostly wilderness, as such it doesn’t generate property taxes to support schools, highways, road maintenance.
                              What worse is when the federal government does grant mineral extraction, oil leases​​​​​, logging contracts, the money goes to the federal government and then goes?
                              Who knows? I would like to see an audit of the money that is generated by federal government leases to oil companies, mining operations and logging.
                              The federal government is supposed to be “ of the people by the people” therefore the profits generated by mineral leases oil leases etc, should go back to the people.
                              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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