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  • But for a "spectrum" you need to classify "something" in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme points.

    In this case political parties in 1920-30s Germany.

    You have roughly, Communists(KPD), Social-Democrats (SDP), Nationalists (DNVP and NSDAP) a Democratic party, and Catholic Center Party

    Where are the extremes of your "spectrum" ?

    Edit, here is Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston trying to make it comprehensible for a US American audience,

    https://www.facinghistory.org/weimar...itical-parties

    In the Weimar Republic the left consisted of the Communists (KPD) and the Social Democrats (SPD). The Center consisted of the Democratic party (DDP), the Catholic Center Party (Z) and the People’s Party (DVP). The right consisted of the German Nationalist Party (DNVP) and the National Socialist Party (NSDAP-Nazi).
    The parties on the left were strong supporters of progressive taxation, government social welfare programs, labor unions, equality and economic opportunity for women. They were less nationalistic, militaristic and antisemitic than the parties on the right. They favored greater government involvement in—and control of—business and industry, and were to varying degrees anti-religious.
    Last edited by Snowygerry; 01 Apr 19, 10:52.
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    • The problem is that left/right are senseless : they originated from France where left meant the party of movement and right bthe party of order,the conservatives .
      But today, in France the conservatives are the left,the party of Macron,who opposes any changes in the present society, while the party that proposes changes is the populist Front National.It is the same in Germany with the AFD,the only party that proposes to change things,while all the others refuse any change .
      It is the same in the USA:who want to conserve Obamacare and the whole useless and dangerous federal administration ? Who are the conservatives? The Democrats and the RINOs, while the supporters of Trump want change .
      In Europe ,who are the enemies of Brexit ? The establishment parties,who refuse any change,who wants change ? The UKIP .
      An other qualification is : equality for the left,social hierarchy for the right . But this qualification is also very questionable as the Hillary gang does not want equality : it is the party of liberal billionaires who want to keep the power they have .Most of the 535 politicians at Capitol Hill are only figureheads of powerful lobbies and the situation in other countries is not much better .

      In Belgium Rex ,the party of Degrelle, was considered far right ,wrongly, because while during the occupation,Degrelle collaborated with Germany,one prominent member and MP of Rex, count de Grunne,was a member of the resistance and killed by the Germans . One could be an enemy of the communists and at the same time be an enemy of Hitler .
      Franco eliminated the Falange :was Franco left of the Falange or right ?
      And returning to the US : how to qualify the following 5 enemies of Trump,all of them billionaires or working for billionaires :
      Soros, the man behind Hillary
      Kristol,a never Trumper who said that he would vote for Hillary
      Romney, RINO,who said that Obamacare was possible only because of Romneycare
      The Koch brothers who refused to aid Trump but aided Romney and worked together with Soros
      McCain who saved Obamacare

      The marxist PM of NZL started the attack on the right of the population of NZL to own weapons .
      John Howard,PM of Australia, did the same ,although he is not a marxist, but both did it for the same hidden reasons :to prevent the population to revolt .
      Where would you put them on a political spectrum ?

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      • Does anyone even remember the OP for this thread?
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Does anyone even remember the OP for this thread?
          Nope.
          The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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          • Von Bose, von Bredow, von Kahr, von Schleicher were opponents of the communists,but still they were executed by the nazis in 1934 . Thus, why should a far right party eliminate opponents of the communists .
            ALL German political parties, 'left'and ''right '' were opponents of the nazis til January 1933 .

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            • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              But for a "spectrum" you need to classify "something" in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme points.

              In this case political parties in 1920-30s Germany.

              You have roughly, Communists(KPD), Social-Democrats (SDP), Nationalists (DNVP and NSDAP) a Democratic party, and Catholic Center Party

              Where are the extremes of your "spectrum" ?

              Edit, here is Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston trying to make it comprehensible for a US American audience,

              https://www.facinghistory.org/weimar...itical-parties


              The conclusions of the professor are very questionable .

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              • If There’s No Reckoning Over The Russia Hoax, It Will Happen Again

                This is the actual topic, people.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                  When I think of Germans and Russians of that era I don't see free thinking and liberalism. (the old kind not this new fascist garbage...)

                  Hey the 'new democratic party', Think like us or we will attack you and your family.
                  EXACTLY!

                  Most of human history is one oligarchical "elite" supplanting the previous oligarchical elite.

                  The former "Left' is now the new "Right"
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                  • Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                    And here are the real losers of the so-called "Russian Collusion" scandal. The Democrats will take their political hits, but that will be just temporary, but the traditional news media has lost what remaining credibility it had left, and combined with the internet's ability to multiply the exchange of information by some orders of magnitude the long term doom of the TNM is pretty much assured.

                    Tuebor
                    Same old "song-n-dance" from the USA Liberals-Left-Democrats; while the "left hand" has decades of collusion with "international socialism" the 'watch here folks' "right hand" tries to distract and show they aren't the seditionists they have been.

                    So far, any documentation and evidence of working with foreign interests to undermine the 2016 election in favor of one Party over the other is coming from our Lefty-loonies/Democrats; buying fake dossiers and throwing unfounded "mud on the wall" of "collusion charges" against their political opponents. Since the days of the Bolsheviks and Lenin, nothing new here folks!
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • Weren't we supposed to be bashing Madcow and her ilk?

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                      • Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                        Weren't we supposed to be bashing Madcow and her ilk?
                        Actual topic:

                        If There’s No Reckoning Over The Russia Hoax, It Will Happen Again

                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          Actual topic:

                          If There’s No Reckoning Over The Russia Hoax, It Will Happen Again
                          Of course! we are primates we test the limits to what we can get away with

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                            • Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                              Weren't we supposed to be bashing Madcow and her ilk?

                              I think we'll wind our way back there, but first the usual "Goodwin's Law" sidetrack ...
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                                But for a "spectrum" you need to classify "something" in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme points.

                                In this case political parties in 1920-30s Germany.

                                You have roughly, Communists(KPD), Social-Democrats (SDP), Nationalists (DNVP and NSDAP) a Democratic party, and Catholic Center Party

                                Where are the extremes of your "spectrum" ?

                                Edit, here is Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston trying to make it comprehensible for a US American audience,

                                https://www.facinghistory.org/weimar...itical-parties


                                However ....
                                ....
                                The German Workers' Party (German: Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP) was a short-lived political party established in Weimar Germany after World War I. It was the precursor of the Nazi Party, which was officially known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP). The DAP only lasted from 5 January 1919 until 24 February 1920.
                                ... From DAP to NSDAP

                                The small number of party members were quickly won over to Hitler's political beliefs. He organized their biggest meeting yet of 2,000 people for 24 February 1920 in the Staatliches Hofbräuhaus in München. Further in an attempt to make the party more broadly appealing to larger segments of the population, the DAP was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) on 24 February.[13][14] Such was the significance of Hitler's particular move in publicity that Harrer resigned from the party in disagreement.[15] The new name was borrowed from a different Austrian party active at the time (the Deutsche Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei, i.e. the German National Socialist Workers' Party), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the Social Revolutionary Party. It was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to adopt the NSDAP name.
                                ...
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers%27_Party

                                Also for reference;
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
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                                As I've tried to present and suggest earlier, in "politics" things can shift and change;

                                In 1917 Russia, the Czar and Establishment are the "Right Wing" and Lenin and the Bolsheviks (Communist Party) are the "Left Wing" (opposite of the established elite/oligarchy). A decade plus later, when the dust of the Revolt and Civil War have settled, the Communist Party is in power and ruling and has shifted from the Left to the 'New Right'.

                                The new and restructured nation might be the USSR, but with only one legal political party allowed, so is far from a real republic; the "states" are far from "united" or a "union" and many are reluctant "soviet". So yes; names/labels may not always be correct or accurate and often remain when real meanings have changed.

                                The NAZI/NSDAP starts out as a rather Left leaning workers party, with different name and focus;
                                ...
                                The German Workers' Party (German: Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP) was a short-lived political party established in Weimar Germany after World War I. It was the precursor of the Nazi Party, which was officially known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP). The DAP only lasted from 5 January 1919 until 24 February 1920.
                                ....
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers%27_Party

                                After Hitler's infiltration and "take over"/restructure ...

                                Soon restructured and refocused ...
                                ... Hitler started out tasked and supported by interests which also had linkages to some metaphysical~theosophical~occult ideas/philosophies that usually get tagged to Leftist thinking/ideas. The Thule and Vril. As the power base grew and this organization(party - NSDAP/NAZI) took control of the government and society/culture, it became the "new establishment" and acquired increase backing of business/capitalist interests and hence saw a shift from "Left" to "Right" by some definitions. Still, the new Nazi government for a while engaged in many social programs/projects that some would see consistent with a more Left/socialist form of government of that era.

                                As so often happens in history, an organization/group starts out on one side of a political fence and eventually winds up on the other side;
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
                                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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