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  • This is the government you think can protect you from violence...

    Letís force everyone to give up the right to self preservation, take away all guns and rely on the keystone cops to protect us!


    Hudson River bike path terrorist Sayfullo Saipov was under government surveillance 'for years'


    The ISIS sympathizer accused of killing eight people in the Hudson River bike path attack was under government surveillance "for years," according to new court papers.

    The revelation included in a heavily redacted filing in Manhattan Federal Court from Sayfullo Saipovís defense team raises questions about whether the government could have done more to prevent the alleged act of terrorism by the unhinged Uzbek.
    ďThe government revealed it had been surveilling Mr. Saipov and two of his associates for years, recording his conversations with them to gather information about his personal contacts, professional experiences, finances, and potential exposure to ISIS propaganda, violent jihadism, and Islamic extremism,Ē Saipovís federal defender Andrew Dalack wrote on Monday.

    Prosecutors disclosed the feds had been spying on Saipov prior to the Oct. 31, 2017, attack only five months ago. The government has refused to reveal more details because prosecutors do not plan to introduce the surveillance during trial.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...318-story.html
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    Letís force everyone to give up the right to self preservation, take away all guns and rely on the keystone cops to protect us!


    Hudson River bike path terrorist Sayfullo Saipov was under government surveillance 'for years'


    The ISIS sympathizer accused of killing eight people in the Hudson River bike path attack was under government surveillance "for years," according to new court papers.

    The revelation included in a heavily redacted filing in Manhattan Federal Court from Sayfullo Saipovís defense team raises questions about whether the government could have done more to prevent the alleged act of terrorism by the unhinged Uzbek.
    ďThe government revealed it had been surveilling Mr. Saipov and two of his associates for years, recording his conversations with them to gather information about his personal contacts, professional experiences, finances, and potential exposure to ISIS propaganda, violent jihadism, and Islamic extremism,Ē Saipovís federal defender Andrew Dalack wrote on Monday.

    Prosecutors disclosed the feds had been spying on Saipov prior to the Oct. 31, 2017, attack only five months ago. The government has refused to reveal more details because prosecutors do not plan to introduce the surveillance during trial.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...318-story.html
    Same old story as always. Arresting him would have given away someone's efforts, so they didn't. "Collateral damage" only matters if you or your family is part of it.

    I quit depending on any form of law enforcement a long time ago.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      You know the drill... When every second counts, the police are only minutes away...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        You know the drill... When every second counts, the police are only minutes away...
        Even more so if one is a rural/country resident such as myself. I do live on an arterial roadway so might only be moments away ...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

          Even more so if one is a rural/country resident such as myself. I do live on an arterial roadway so might only be moments away ...
          We have to wait for someone to free up a deputy sheriff.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            The FBI is busy with "insurance policies" against potential "Hitlers" what could be more important?
            We hunt the hunters

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              The FBI is busy with "insurance policies" against potential "Hitlers" what could be more important?
              Almost anything...
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                We have to wait for someone to free up a deputy sheriff.
                About the same here.

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                • #9
                  How many times have we heard this, not just from our FBI?
                  The guy was under surveillance, Oswald was under FBI surveillance, and the CIA while he was in Mexico City.
                  It seems to be a infliction of every national investigative agency, in France and G.B. and Brussels after an attack, ď he was on a watch listĒ
                  Thete is a ample evidence that we cannot rely on the government to protect us or anyone else.
                  Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                  Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                  • #10
                    This is the government you think can protect you from violence...
                    No, the Government will not protect you, you will have to protect yourself!
                    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                      This is the government you think can protect you from violence...
                      No, the Government will not protect you, you will have to protect yourself!
                      Indeed
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                      • #12
                        The USSC has ruled on more than one occasion that the police have no inherent responsibility to proven a given person, merely a generalized duty to society as a whole.

                        The police in a free society are primarily reactive.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          The USSC has ruled on more than one occasion that the police have no inherent responsibility to proven a given person, merely a generalized duty to society as a whole.

                          The police in a free society are primarily reactive.
                          They didn't used to be. And the evidence is overwhelming that they have failed to protect society s a whole.

                          It's the courts themselves that have crippled the law enforcement agencies.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            The USSC has ruled on more than one occasion that the police have no inherent responsibility to proven a given person, merely a generalized duty to society as a whole.

                            The police in a free society are primarily reactive.
                            My problem isnít with local police, it is when the FBI has someone or some group under surveillance for years and fail to prevent them from committing a crime.
                            I understand it is impossible for police to protect individuals.
                            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                              My problem isnít with local police, it is when the FBI has someone or some group under surveillance for years and fail to prevent them from committing a crime.
                              I understand it is impossible for police to protect individuals.
                              Actually, it isn't. They just don't do it.

                              Time and again someone threatens a former spouse and the police do nothing, even when the perp violates restraining orders, stalks her and all the rest. then he murders her and the police stand around picking their noses.

                              When I was growing up, police were proactive and often headed of trouble before it developed.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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