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  • #76
    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Your example is part of that "royalty" elite that held ruling positions for centuries(millennia), along with the means and authority to concentrate the wealth into their hands. Not quite the same as campaigning and getting elected - politics de jour, USA.
    Are you sure ? Have you taken a look at your last few presidents ?

    I'm sure there are several members here at ACG even that would make a better US president than Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama AND Trump

    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    A reminder, this is a history forum and past events, which shape the present, do have their key players ~ personalities. Impacts and effects often linger long after they leave the stage, or step back, etc. Just because they aren't "current" doesn't mean they were, or are without consequence.
    That's why I mentioned Homer Simpson.

    Chances that future historians 700 years from now will talk about any of those mentioned above are quite small, they will be forgotten..

    The Simpsons though will be for ever considered your cultural heritage, they'll study it like we study Homeros, and appreciate the numerous historical references, as well as wonder how the writers managed to predict the Trump presidency for example.
    Last edited by Snowygerry; 20 Mar 19, 03:29.
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    • #77
      The ruling new class (to paraphrase Djilas ) that is governing US and Western Europe is panicking : people are revolting against this parasitycal nomenclatura that has totally failed, Because it has failed . The election of Trump was not the the forerunner ;the forerunner was the advent of Ross Perot,which eliminated old Bush,who wanted to take away more money, thus more freedom from the people .As one could expect, Deep State reacted immediately with Soros'Open Societies in 1993 .
      Deep State failed again on 9/11 and its reaction was to get more money from the people, which did not eliminate Muslim terrorism and criminality .
      Than came another henchman ( here : a henchwoman ) of the Nomenklatura,Hillary, who said openly that DS had failed to protect society,but would prevent people from defending themselves by taking away people's only remaining possibility to defend themselves against crime : the 2nd Amendment . Without the 2nd Amendment, the American people are only a helpless prey for DS .
      The American people have elected Trump to protect them;Trump will do what is possible, but, have no illusions : a henchman of Mueller, high-ranked agent of the police of DS ,said openly at CNN: the mission of the potus is to protect DS,the Nomenklatura, if he does not do it,we will kill him .
      Phil Mudd : government is going to kill Trump,because he is not supporting them .
      There is a war on life and death going on .The people against the rulers .

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      • #78
        Dear God - did you fall on your keyboard again did you
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
          Dear God - did you fall on your keyboard again did you
          Proof that anything of post 77 was wrong .What Mudd said is a fact .
          I have been very moderate in post 77 : reality is worse, much worse than what I said .
          Never heard of censoreship in Germany, in Britain, in the USA , to hide Muslim crimes ?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
            Proof that anything of post 77 was wrong .
            Well it's there for all to see

            Jesus man just look at it - it's like a cat threw up on the screen, if an 8-year old writes like that he will be thrown out of class.

            Ever heard of interpunction ?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

              Are you sure ? Have you taken a look at your last few presidents ?
              Yup!

              And in that regard we aren't dealing genetic "royal" bloodlines (san grail) going back for centuries of a 'family' history. Especially holding a "lock" on the political process and leadership position that exclude the majority of their nations populace. Admittedly the UK began to break that trend a few centuries ago, but the rest of Europe and the world only started to change in the wake of USA and our "experiment" started about 1776.

              Over here the closest we've come have been mercantile/capitalist(business based) family dynasties that went back a few generations at most. While the Bush's come close on that, the Roosevelt's are a larger example. Trump right now is a one-off and we'll have to see if any of his progeny follow in his footsteps.

              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              I'm sure there are several members here at ACG even that would make a better US president than Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama AND Trump
              That might be, but it would have to involve a process sort of like a battery of civil service tests and the best score gets the job. However, POTUS is an elected position and that entails the campaigning process to get the vote and that becomes a bit more complicated.

              I don't recall many here at ACG establishing they have much experience with campaigns and running for office, but I've been a bit active in that direction the past few years, so have acquired some insight with candidates and campaigns. A few factors;

              1) You really need a campaign committee and staff, and especially a manger. The Candidate needs to get out to "meet-n-greet" both donors and voters and it really helps to have some staff to arrange and schedule that gauntlet of activities. The higher or more influential the office, the more it becomes possible to successfully run if you have people to help put up signs, get literature out, make phone calls, contact donors, and schedule events and appearances.

              2) A candidate needs to have lots of energy to meet the voters and express whom they are and what their positions are. There are a lot shake hands and pose for pictures, especially with donors, especially the BIG ones.

              3) You need the support of your family. Not just you as a candidate, but your family as well will be embroiled in the campaign and often are likely targets for some of the "slings and arrows" that will come your way.

              4) Helps to have a thick-skin since you will be assailed by the opposition, often. You will be a target of sorts, so be prepared to dodge and deal with what gets flung at you, and any one closely associated with you.

              5) Though you are running to represent those whom are your constituency, those voices and interests will cover a wide range, plus the voters will want to know what your background and experience is relevant to the job duties, and what positions you have on issues, what your goals and agenda are. And of course, why you rather than the others you are running against. You need some concise and informative answers andessentially a few 1,2,3, and 5 minute "elevator speechs" you can use on short notice.

              6) There are a few other things to toss in, but maybe later. Thing is, that it sums up by a paraphrase of LIncoln's;

              'You can please all the people some of the time ... (increasingly difficult to impossible in 21st century America);
              'You can please some of the people all of the time ... (more probable);
              'But you can't please ALL the people ALL of the time. ' - Very true today.

              What you are trying to do is get the majority of those that will vote (often barely half that could) to vote for you.



              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              That's why I mentioned Homer Simpson.

              Chances that future historians 700 years from now will talk about any of those mentioned above are quite small, they will be forgotten..

              The Simpsons though will be for ever considered your cultural heritage, they'll study it like we study Homeros, and appreciate the numerous historical references, as well as wonder how the writers managed to predict the Trump presidency for example.
              I haven't watched much TV in the last few years and seems like ages since Iast saw a Simpson's show. If we are using cartoon programing as a meme of our nation and times,, it's possible that South Park would also be a contender there.

              More likely may be real people TV and there it may be a case of Oprah or "The View" that will skew future historians assessment of this time.

              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • #82
                Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                And in that regard we aren't dealing genetic "royal" bloodlines (san grail) going back for centuries of a 'family' history.
                Eh, for sure you aren't electing your best and brightest either

                For the purpose of this thread though, it should suffice to point out that Trump(s) is no more "qualified" to determine what Americans need, than Charles VI was qualified to determine what the French needed.

                Or you for that matter.
                Last edited by Snowygerry; 21 Mar 19, 03:54.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                  Eh, for sure you aren't electing your best and brightest either

                  For the purpose of this thread though, it should suffice to point out that Trump(s) is no more "qualified" to determine what Americans need, than Charles VI was qualified to determine what the French needed.

                  Or you for that matter.
                  A bit testy and thin-skinned are we ???

                  The usual quip is that the best and brightest, being just that, don't want the job (think on it).

                  How do we, or you, know that what Americans need is the same as what the French need?
                  Over here, most of us operate on basis of each should have their own idea what they need and be allowed to go for it, so long as doing such is legal and their own effort.

                  Over there seems those centuries of having lords and kings tell you all what you need and what is good for you have slowed you all down a bit when it comes to autonomous thinking and acting.

                  Point lost upon you, and many Americans for that matter, is that a POTUS isn't the one to decide what is the need of Americans. That's the reason we have a representative republic.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    How do we, or you, know that what Americans need is the same as what the French need?
                    We don't.

                    All "we" know is that one man, or family, can not be qualified to determine what 300 million need.

                    That's why we elect representatives, not rulers or leaders.

                    A bit testy and thin-skinned are we ???
                    Not at all, but why type 300 words if 13 will do

                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    Point lost upon you, and many Americans for that matter, is that a POTUS isn't the one to decide what is the need of Americans. That's the reason we have a representative republic.
                    And with that this thread can be closed, and the title question can be answered with "No - they aren't !"

                    - why didn't you
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                    • #85
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggHIORGw5d4
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                        We don't.

                        All "we" know is that one man, or family, can not be qualified to determine what 300 million need.

                        That's why we elect representatives, not rulers or leaders.



                        Not at all, but why type 300 words if 13 will do



                        And with that this thread can be closed, and the title question can be answered with "No - they aren't !"

                        - why didn't you
                        These threads do often wander about a bit.

                        The thread was started by a socialist, citing an opinion piece from a socialist, and combined with the indirection of the title, basically amount to another bitch from sources that constantly expect more from others, basically their fellow citizens whom get plundered by their governments that then redistribute to others. This started as a bitch piece on "the handouts should be increasing, not shrinking'.

                        So yeah, a rather flimsy thread topic to begin with.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                          Well it's there for all to see

                          Jesus man just look at it - it's like a cat threw up on the screen, if an 8-year old writes like that he will be thrown out of class.

                          Ever heard of interpunction ?
                          Hairballs of Ijadw.......
                          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                            Well it's there for all to see

                            Jesus man just look at it - it's like a cat threw up on the screen, if an 8-year old writes like that he will be thrown out of class.

                            Ever heard of interpunction ?
                            I donít see any proof that itís wrong. Perhaps you can point it out and join a debate?
                            "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                            "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                            • #89
                              No thanks, I think I said all that needed to be said
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                              • #90
                                Only Socialist multi-millionaires are allowed to determine what everyone needs, and is allowed to have or want.
                                Just ask any Democrat.
                                "Why is the Rum gone?"

                                -Captain Jack

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