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  • American87
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    I'd say that the Roman government made up for that -- when the emperor Constantine first ended persecution of Christians, then started funding Christian churches, and then his successors named Christianity Rome's state religion, and then they started persecuting pagans. So I'd say it's all come 'round full circle.
    Good point. Would you say affirmative action and Obamaís elections make up for slavery?

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Exactly. Iím Catholic, should the Roman government pay me reparations for persecuting me thousands of years ago?
    I'd say that the Roman government made up for that -- when the emperor Constantine first ended persecution of Christians, then started funding Christian churches, and then his successors named Christianity Rome's state religion, and then they started persecuting pagans. So I'd say it's all come 'round full circle.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Not to worry, MM./ Sanctum Solara now officially says you can be saved, so I've abandoned my plan to immerse you in a horse trough for adult baptism - as a reborn dogan
    I do not need to "be saved", since that sort of thing exists only in your mind.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Exactly. Iím Catholic, should the Roman government pay me reparations for persecuting me thousands of years ago?
    ONLY if you abandon SSPX....

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  • wolfhnd
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    Strange stuff to me

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Not according to SSPX, or some of the more nefarious Tridentine err, backwoods hillbilly beloved fellow Catholics...
    Why are you bothering? That child soesn't even know the liturgy that he praises eight days a week.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Lip service while the Church protects them as it always has. When you have a church that claims to be a nation they don't follow anyone else's laws.

    Meanwhile, back in Judea, Jesus wasn't a Catholic. No such designation existed, and Pontius Pilate specifically referred to him as "king of the Jews".

    Maybe all this stuff was edited out of the Catholic bible in the 4th century Conclave when church leaders decided to heavily edit, redact and revise their own history. What's left now is hardly worthy of the name.

    Kind of like the history of slavery - edited, redacted, revised and mostly made up these days, or taken from Hollywoody films.

    My ancestors were Irish, and as hard rock gold miners in the Sierra Nevada mountains they never owned, nor even saw, any slaves....except their fellow Irishmen.
    Not to worry, MM./ Sanctum Solara now officially says you can be saved, so I've abandoned my plan to immerse you in a horse trough for adult baptism - as a reborn dogan

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by III Corps View Post

    Only buy Catholics.

    Corrected your misprint

    we are not , currently, for sale....
    Interestingly enough, the Anglican church, or at least one priest I've encountered, claims that the Anglican rite or confession can validly call themselves " Anglican Catholics" and that the church of Rome has no monopoly on the name...

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Jesus did find the Catholic Church which teaches Christianity. We may disagree on this thats ok, I will never change my view as Our Lord and Savior founded the Catholic Church which btw the Church teaches that good non Catholics can get into Heaven.

    The Catholic Church Was Founded By Jesus Christ Our Lord

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/bheld...hrist-our-lord

    Not according to SSPX, or some of the more nefarious Tridentine err, backwoods hillbilly beloved fellow Catholics...

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    The Catholic Church opposes all sex crimes. And at my Local Church Opposition to such crimes have been voiced.
    Lip service while the Church protects them as it always has. When you have a church that claims to be a nation they don't follow anyone else's laws.

    Meanwhile, back in Judea, Jesus wasn't a Catholic. No such designation existed, and Pontius Pilate specifically referred to him as "king of the Jews".

    Maybe all this stuff was edited out of the Catholic bible in the 4th century Conclave when church leaders decided to heavily edit, redact and revise their own history. What's left now is hardly worthy of the name.

    Kind of like the history of slavery - edited, redacted, revised and mostly made up these days, or taken from Hollywoody films.

    My ancestors were Irish, and as hard rock gold miners in the Sierra Nevada mountains they never owned, nor even saw, any slaves....except their fellow Irishmen.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Nebfer View Post
    Why should we do reparations? All the people affected are long dead, their children are all long dead (sans a handful), most of their grand kids are dead and many of the great grand kids are dead or are in the process of dying off.

    So to whom do we owe reparations?
    No one.

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  • III Corps
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    ...It can be said that Jesus founded the Catholic Church...
    Only by Catholics.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Yes-there were only Christians in the Roman Empire as the religion hadn't broken into different permanent Christian sects yet. The first schism happened in the 11th century when the eastern church broke from Rome.

    There were problems in the Christian 'community' which was shy Constantine the Great called the council of Nicaea in the 4th century to settle the differences. And Constantine had to threaten to use force against the bishops if they could not come to a decision on Christian doctrine. Their 'decision' came swiftly after that announcement.
    There were major splits in Christianity during Roman times, e.g Arianism.

    The official the term Catholic was used to describe Christians in the empire and to differentiate sects since 110ad.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    Here they're still sometimes called "Roman Catholics" - but I suspect that has more to do with later religious conflicts and the popes in Rome, not the Romans as such.
    Yes, it isn't because of the Romans, but because the Pope lives in Rome.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Yes-there were only Christians in the Roman Empire as the religion hadn't broken into different permanent Christian sects yet. The first schism happened in the 11th century when the eastern church broke from Rome.

    There were problems in the Christian 'community' which was shy Constantine the Great called the council of Nicaea in the 4th century to settle the differences. And Constantine had to threaten to use force against the bishops if they could not come to a decision on Christian doctrine. Their 'decision' came swiftly after that announcement.
    Here they're still sometimes called "Roman Catholics" - but I suspect that has more to do with later religious conflicts and the popes in Rome, not the Romans as such.

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