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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Do whites have to be suppressed to make up for slavery? Let's not forget the cultural element. Tupac might be as legendary as Billy the Kid.
    Americans of all stripes like criminals: All Capone, John Gotti, Whitey Bulger. Nice Jewish boy with an NYU sheepskin authored a tome not too long ago called Tough Jews, wherein he lauded Tic Toc Tannenbaum and Louis Lepke as well as Bugsy Seigel and Mayer Lansky. It's in our nature to admire bad guys. I didn't know that that was indicative of any political zeitgeist, however.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    My main point totally relates to the thread. This thread is about slavery in America. And during the slave times there were white Catholic and Protestants that said the Bible opposed slavery, while other whites Christian in name wrongly said The Bible approves of slavery. The Catholic Church saw many of its followers in the 19th century stand for liberty and equality among man. That has to be taken into consideration wrt talks of reparations for slaves or descendants of slaves that is the fact that white Americans did in numbers oppose slavery of black people and huge masses of White Christian Americans fought on the Union side for freedom for black slaves(and they the black slaves were Christians) during the Us Civil War. The US Civil War which saw Christian brothers fight each other, if only that war could have been avoided.

    To each their own when it comes to value systems or so called religions. I admire the Church because it continues the legacy of The Round Table and the Values of Knighthood. Catholic Churches all over the world come with a feel of the middle ages wrt their paintings and statues.
    Seriously? It was the Church that started the Holy Crusades in order to take control of the rich spice trading routes. It was the Church who destroyed the Templars for their money and lands. It was the Church that sponsored the Inquisition which was all about seizing money and property. It was the Church that rap[ed and enslaved and butchered the New World. And it was the Church that made a deal with the Nazis to protect themselves, said nothing and did nothing about the mass extinction of the Jews and then provided Vatican diplomatic passports, sanctuaries and transportation to help the murderer and torturers out of Germany to escape prosecution. The Church has a foul history when it comes to civil rights.

    And none of this has anything to do with 21st century demands for reparations by people who have never know slavery on their entire lives but whose ancestors were often enslaved in the past by Catholics.

    NO REPARATIONS, PERIOD.

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  • Savez
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Exactly. Let's remember all the Union boys who died in Southern territory. Should their descendants pay reperations to the descendants of slaves?
    But let's not forget had those Union boys not been in Southern territory, they would not have been dead in Southern territory.

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  • Rojik
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    I'm confused. Are we giving Jesus reparations or not?

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Religion in the Civil War:
    The Southern Perspective

    Harry S. Stout
    Professor of History, Religious Studies, and American Studies
    Jonathan Edwards Professor of American Christianity, Yale Divinity School
    ©National Humanities Center


    The Civil War began with a largely symbolic battle at Fort Sumter, a battle in which the only fatality was a (southern) horse. Yet it immediately raised to national crisis a conflict that had been spilling blood regionally for decades. The perspective of what would quickly become the Confederate States of America the southern perspective balanced on two points: first, that the individual state was sovereign, even to the point of secession; second, that the peculiar institution of slavery was not only expedient but also ordained by God and upheld in Holy Scripture. When news spread of the surrender of Fort Sumter on April 13 and of Lincolns call for 75,000 troops, one southern state after another seceded and the Confederacy (of 11 states in all) was born. With it was born the Souths embrace of religion as its moral defense and its motive force.

    Its abundantly clear, as recent scholarship has demonstrated that religion stood at the center of the Civil War for both sides. Both North and South looked to God for meaning, and each side believed with equal fervor and certitude that God was on its side. Many ministers, generals, leaders, and editors went so far as to proclaim that God had ordained the war and would determine its length, its damages, and its outcome. The victor would show, in other words, whose side God really supported. New England political and religious leaders had long proclaimed themselves Gods chosen people. With the start of the Civil War, southerners laid claim to the title and, through speech, print, and ritual actions, proceeded to "prove" their claim.


    http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...fo/cwsouth.htm
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 15 Mar 19, 19:45.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Unlike early Common Era paganism, Whiteness hasn't been wholesale suppressed.
    Do whites have to be suppressed to make up for slavery? Let's not forget the cultural element. Tupac might be as legendary as Billy the Kid.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    We're on the verge of it. If it were up to blacks right now, I imagine we would be. Of course then they would have to figure out to fund all of the give-away programs that they rely on.
    Really? You show me one black candidate who even remotely hints at mass oppression having a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected to any conceivably serious executive office anywhere in the land -- Oakland included. You let me know when to start holding my breath. The moment that 13% of the population can even dream of threatening 72% of the population, I'll be sure to take notice. Even if they were all Muhammed Ali, they'd still have to out-shoot Whitey -- who outnumbers them by 184,700,000, or 5.74-to-1. Nothing short of an Act of God can place the whole of white America under the heel of the Negro. Your fear constitutes a mathematical impossibility. That means that it's utterly irrational, and worthy of no further note, except for as a source of comedy.

    Honest to God, but is that the sh*t that keeps you up at night? I truly feel sorry for you, suffering from phantoms that go bump in the night.

    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/rele...b11-cn125.html

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by Savez View Post
    I think it needs to be considered. However, I don't think it needs to be given to individuals but used to help predominantly black communities. I also think it needs to be state by state, maybe with some federal oversight. I don't want my tax dollars going to Detroit when it could help communities like those in Perry County, Alabama. Keep it local.
    Exactly. Let's remember all the Union boys who died in Southern territory. Should their descendants pay reperations to the descendants of slaves?

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    And your main point has nothing to do with the thread. Maybe that's the problem.

    And while some Christians opposed slavery during the Civil War, some blacks were practicing slavery on their own plantations and Lincoln was pro-slavery.

    As for Pope Francis, so long as pedophiles, rapists and murderers can all go to Catholic heaven there is nothing there that I would ever want, even if I believed in that bunch of myths. The Catholic Church and it's hypocrisy is one of the major reasons I'm agnostic and will remain that way.

    If the Church can't walk the walk, they can save the talk.
    My main point totally relates to the thread. This thread is about slavery in America. And during the slave times there were white Catholic and Protestants that said the Bible opposed slavery, while other whites Christian in name wrongly said The Bible approves of slavery. The Catholic Church saw many of its followers in the 19th century stand for liberty and equality among man. That has to be taken into consideration wrt talks of reparations for slaves or descendants of slaves that is the fact that white Americans did in numbers oppose slavery of black people and huge masses of White Christian Americans fought on the Union side for freedom for black slaves(and they the black slaves were Christians) during the Us Civil War. The US Civil War which saw Christian brothers fight each other, if only that war could have been avoided.

    To each their own when it comes to value systems or so called religions. I admire the Church because it continues the legacy of The Round Table and the Values of Knighthood. Catholic Churches all over the world come with a feel of the middle ages wrt their paintings and statues.

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  • Savez
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    I think it needs to be considered. However, I don't think it needs to be given to individuals but used to help predominantly black communities. I also think it needs to be state by state, maybe with some federal oversight. I don't want my tax dollars going to Detroit when it could help communities like those in Perry County, Alabama. Keep it local.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Unlike early Common Era paganism, Whiteness hasn't been wholesale suppressed.
    We're on the verge of it. If it were up to blacks right now, I imagine we would be. Of course then they would have to figure out to fund all of the give-away programs that they rely on.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Right those folks are antisemitic from reports.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...iamson_(bishop)

    The Catholics I know agree non Catholics can get into heaven. Pope Francis and The Vatican Website says non Catholics can get into Heaven. Catholic means Universal. I got no problem with different religions.

    Look what I have to deal with here itt, wrt our friend Slick miester the guy just misunderstands me thats his problem. And he quoted you to talk about me, but he did not quote, come on Slick dont do a fellow New Yorker like that. Slick should know I have been posting itt showing how Christians opposed slavery during the US civil war, thats one of my main points my friend.
    And your main point has nothing to do with the thread. Maybe that's the problem.

    And while some Christians opposed slavery during the Civil War, some blacks were practicing slavery on their own plantations and Lincoln was pro-slavery.

    As for Pope Francis, so long as pedophiles, rapists and murderers can all go to Catholic heaven there is nothing there that I would ever want, even if I believed in that bunch of myths. The Catholic Church and it's hypocrisy is one of the major reasons I'm agnostic and will remain that way.

    If the Church can't walk the walk, they can save the talk.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post
    Good point. Would you say affirmative action and Obama’s elections make up for slavery?
    Given Obama's stunning incompetence...hardly. However, numerous blacks who have risen to high positions are proof that hard work and study is the key to success, not whining and demanding welfare, food stamps and reparations.

    Nothing in the world is free.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Not according to SSPX, or some of the more nefarious Tridentine err, backwoods hillbilly beloved fellow Catholics...
    Right those folks are antisemitic from reports.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...iamson_(bishop)

    The Catholics I know agree non Catholics can get into heaven. Pope Francis and The Vatican Website says non Catholics can get into Heaven. Catholic means Universal. I got no problem with different religions.

    Look what I have to deal with here itt, wrt our friend Slick miester the guy just misunderstands me thats his problem. And he quoted you to talk about me, but he did not quote, come on Slick dont do a fellow New Yorker like that. Slick should know I have been posting itt showing how Christians opposed slavery during the US civil war, thats one of my main points my friend.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post
    Good point. Would you say affirmative action and Obama’s elections make up for slavery?
    Unlike early Common Era paganism, Whiteness hasn't been wholesale suppressed.

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