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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    And then the Irish turned into corrupt Congress critters with names like Ryan, McConnell and Graham.
    True on Ryan and McConnell, my vote is still out on Graham though.

    Blacks also turned into corrupt democRATS of Congress: Maxine Waters, Alcee Hastings, Sheila Jackson Lee, Greg Meeks, Charlie Rangel, Corrine Brown, Chaka Fattah and Eddie Bernice Johnson.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post

    he did ? what is the evidence ?
    You can start here and let us know the findings of your research:

    https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-...s=books&sr=1-3

    https://www.amazon.com/Story-Christi...s=books&sr=1-4

    https://www.amazon.com/Story-Christi...s=books&sr=1-5

    https://www.amazon.com/History-Catho...s%2C140&sr=1-3

    You'll also find that the Protestant religions came from the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation.

    The Wars of Religion are also interesting-bloody but interesting:

    https://www.amazon.com/Religion-1562...s=books&sr=1-2

    https://www.amazon.com/Religious-155...s=books&sr=1-3

    https://www.amazon.com/Religious-155...s=books&sr=1-6

    I've always found that starting wars, particularly wars of conquest, in the name of religion of any kind antithetical to religion in general, especially when touting one's religion as a 'religion of peace.'

    Of course, you could also use the Bible, especially the New Testament as a reference.

    There will be a quiz at the end of the instructional period.
    Last edited by Massena; 16 Mar 19, 08:54.

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    No, Jesus founded Christianity. The Catholic Church evolved from that founding.
    he did ? what is the evidence ?

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  • nastle
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    yes we should
    a one way ticket first class to african country of choice

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Seriously? It was the Church that started the Holy Crusades in order to take control of the rich spice trading routes.
    Funnily enough THAT is a Marxist argument – straight up historic materialism. No one but them makes THAT argument.

    Though I am of course aware that Marxist is the LAST thing you are. What I assume you probably want to say here is that Catholic Church is morally destitute and only about filthy lucre, and always has been. Unlike morally upright, God-fearing Protestants.
    It was the Church who destroyed the Templars for their money and lands.
    No, unless the king of France was going around saying "L'Églie c'est moi!" Philippe le Bel didn't however. He was the one who seized their assets and put them on the bonfires.
    It was the Church that sponsored the Inquisition which was all about seizing money and property.
    The Dominican Order was tasked with the original Inquisition, in southern France and northern Italy, beginning in 1231, to convert the Cathars, Paterans, Bogomils, Waldensians etc. that had taken hold there. No seizures, though, and a process of peaceful conversion, in particular in Northen Italy where about HALF the population was initially considered heretics of some kind.
    The later SPANISH Inquisition, which was under the Spanish Crown, later did things somewhat differently. (Still, might want to watch that Marxist historical materialist streak showing.)
    It was the Church that rap[ed and enslaved and butchered the New World.
    No, again that was the kings. And when it wasn't it tended to be local Big Men out to make money, far away from any kind of either royal or church control. The Church argued that the natives were human being in need of being brought to Christ.
    And it was the Church that made a deal with the Nazis to protect themselves, said nothing and did nothing about the mass extinction of the Jews and then provided Vatican diplomatic passports, sanctuaries and transportation to help the murderer and torturers out of Germany to escape prosecution. The Church has a foul history when it comes to civil rights.
    Interestingly in the latest move by the Vatican we might be getting some better documentation of what went on.

    You are exaggerating MASSIVELY here. But it is NOT somehow random. What you have presented here is in effect the Anglosaxon Protestant Black Legend of Catholicism, poineered by the British, replanted in its New World colonies, and apparently still flourishing.

    You're from the South too?

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post

    US revolted against lawful British government. South just did the same.
    No the two were quite different. The Americans were living in colonies without the same rights as Englishmen. In point of fact they were not considered Englishment by the British government. That was not the case with the southern states in the US as they were full citizens, with the notable exception of the black slaves, and they had the same rights as other American citizens.

    Once again a foray by you into history comes up with incorrect and skewed material.

    And if you're actually interested in the period of the American Revolution you might want to study just a little bit the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
    Remember, blacks weren't the only slaves. The Irish and Chinese were sold into slavery as well.
    And then the Irish turned into corrupt Congress critters with names like Ryan, McConnell and Graham.

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  • Persephone
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    Remember, blacks weren't the only slaves. The Irish and Chinese were sold into slavery as well.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Ilord Jesus is part of the 60001. JEwish former captive slaves, class action lawsuit against the Roman coliseum....
    Descendants of slaves should sue African slave traders, or at least their descendants.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Rojik View Post
    I'm confused. Are we giving Jesus reparations or not?
    lord Jesus is part of the 60,001. Jewish former captive slaves, class action lawsuit against the Roman - coliseum....construction management consortium..
    Last edited by marktwain; 16 Mar 19, 12:23. Reason: erratta...

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  • Persephone
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    Rod Woodson on the absurdity of Reparations for Slavery


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m70GjVwmS9Y

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Please, not that sorry old argument again. If the southern states had not revolted against the lawful government, there would have been no US troops in the southern states.
    US revolted against lawful British government. South just did the same.

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  • Savez
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    If I knew my money was going to help fellow Southerners I'd be happy to pay reparations. They were exploited for a long time. Building up black communities and small businesses could benefit everyone.

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  • Savez
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Please, not that sorry old argument again. If the southern states had not revolted against the lawful government, there would have been no US troops in the southern states.
    What I wrote was absolutely true.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Savez View Post

    But let's not forget had those Union boys not been in Southern territory, they would not have been dead in Southern territory.
    Please, not that sorry old argument again. If the southern states had not revolted against the lawful government, there would have been no US troops in the southern states.

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