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  • Criminal Action- American officials holding talks with the Taliban

    In short this is unacceptable. It is a crime to work with a group like the Taliban. Its a crime to work with illegal drug dealers, its a crime to work with the Mafia. Its a crime to work with the Taliban. The USA by working with the Taliban is committing a worldwide crime. It goes against common sense to work with the Taliban.

    While peace loving people of Afghanistan lay their blood on the line to fight the Taliban, big wigs from the USA want to make a deal with the Taliban...it would be like the USA working with the Third Reich toward the end of WW2 this is a criminal action by the USA. It is stunning beyond belief that the USA under Trump and John Bolton are ok with working with the Taliban. Mistakes happen, and people can redeem themselves. Anyone here that can get the word out to US officials that they may know to immediately stop holding talks with the Taliban.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliba...envoy-in-qatar

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/us-taliban-talks-march/index.html


    This is one of those one way topics. There is no excuse to work with the Taliban, rather one can see that enough Afghan people have fought the Taliban so the Anti Taliban folks need to be armed. The Taliban are against freedom, they are not "religious students" but rather are a violent intolerant group.

  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Proof that the people of Afghanistan want the same thing as the people of the US ?
    Proof that Islam stands for freedom ?
    Proof that the US is the leader of the free world ?
    Proof that there is a free world ?
    Proof that the people of Afghanistan dressed as the Americans ?
    And proof that this means that they want American style Democracy ?
    Assad dressed also as Americans : is this a proof that he wants US style Democracy ?
    The same for Erdogan .
    The same for Kim .
    The same for Stalin .etc,etc .
    And I forgot : where is the proof that US are working with greatness in Afghanistan ?
    And could you give the adress of the HQ of the liberal Afghan Muslims ? I suspect it is somewhere in the Imagination Street in Kabul, but I don.t know the number .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    The people of the USA and Afghanistan want the same thing. Its common sense to oppose the Taliban. In the aftermath of WW2, The Third Reich type politics was not welcome anywhere. GWB and a Coalition in 2001 including Muslims, Christians and more declared war against the Taliban, now today there is no justice in working with The Taliban a known criminal group. Those that claim to stand for freedom could never sit in a room as equals with those that support inequality among man.

    The people of Afghanistan are majority Muslims, we are already working with greatness here. Islam stands for freedom and US style Democracy. Christianity helped to make the USA the leader of the free world because of in large part liberal Christians. And today, huge masses of liberal Afghan Muslims are ready to make their country a better place. Just look at the history, in the 1960s and 1980s the people of Afghanistan dressed and had similar hobbies compared to Americans.

    Proof that the people of Afghanistan want the same thing as the people of the US ?
    Proof that Islam stands for freedom ?
    Proof that the US is the leader of the free world ?
    Proof that there is a free world ?
    Proof that the people of Afghanistan dressed as the Americans ?
    And proof that this means that they want American style Democracy ?
    Assad dressed also as Americans : is this a proof that he wants US style Democracy ?
    The same for Erdogan .
    The same for Kim .
    The same for Stalin .etc,etc .
    And I forgot : where is the proof that US are working with greatness in Afghanistan ?
    And could you give the adress of the HQ of the liberal Afghan Muslims ? I suspect it is somewhere in the Imagination Street in Kabul, but I don.t know the number .

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    The people of the USA and Afghanistan want the same thing. Its common sense to oppose the Taliban. In the aftermath of WW2, The Third Reich type politics was not welcome anywhere. GWB and a Coalition in 2001 including Muslims, Christians and more declared war against the Taliban, now today there is no justice in working with The Taliban a known criminal group. Those that claim to stand for freedom could never sit in a room as equals with those that support inequality among man.

    The people of Afghanistan are majority Muslims, we are already working with greatness here. Islam stands for freedom and US style Democracy. Christianity helped to make the USA the leader of the free world because of in large part liberal Christians. And today, huge masses of liberal Afghan Muslims are ready to make their country a better place. Just look at the history, in the 1960s and 1980s the people of Afghanistan dressed and had similar hobbies compared to Americans.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Well many Afghan people are tired of the Taliban, in their own words,

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/60147076...#sp=show-clips
    Trump want to leave Afghanistan, Obama should have left Afghanistan after Bin Laden was eliminated .
    That Afghans are tired of the Taliban and that the Taliban are a group of and is not the business of the US : there is no article in the US constitution that is saying that it is the mission of the US to fight against and even if they are .
    Kim is a ,Erdogan is also a , the sultan of Tehran is a ,but that's not a reason to start a war against them .
    The only reason for a war is if are a threat to the US, not if they are hostile to the US : most of the world dislikes the US : is this a reason to start a war against the majority of the world ?

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    1 there is no Afghan people
    2 It is not proven,and very unlikely,that the inhabitants of Afghanistan want freedom : none of them cried : give me freedom or give me death .
    Not quite correct. There is an Afghan people - there is no Afghan nation. The Afghans have no concept of national unity or identity. Family, tribe and alliances are the only structures they acknowledge.

    The Afghans do not freedom as we know it - they want freedom from outside interference in their lives. They want to continue to live centuries in the past, except, of course, for all of those Western conveniences and amenities such as electricity, cell phones, AK's and Toyotas.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Well your understanding of Afghanistan is wrong. The Taliban stand against freedom. Its a crime agaisnt humanity to work with the Taliban, it would be like working with a drug cartel of the mafia. Its common sense to say its a crime to work with criminals(ie the Taliban).
    America has a long history of supporting those who oppose civil rights and personal liberties. We also supported Noriega, since you mentioned drug cartels, and we supported, trained and equipped what is now the Taliban. How is any of this any different?

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Please explain how it is a 'criminal action.' You haven't done that. It looks to me that your understanding of the war in Afghanistan is next to nil.
    Well your understanding of Afghanistan is wrong. The Taliban stand against freedom. Its a crime agaisnt humanity to work with the Taliban, it would be like working with a drug cartel or the mafia. Its common sense to say its a crime to work with criminals(ie the Taliban).
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 17 Mar 19, 18:26.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

    You needed France otherwise your independence wouldn’t have happened the Afghans and Americas problem is Pakistan that provides shelter,replacements and training for the Taliban in Afghanistan the same problem the Soviets had,until the US starts treating Pakistan as the terrorist producing factory that it is which they have just started to acknowledge by cutting off military funding Afghanistan is doomed to become a terrorist operational country yet again like it was before 9/11.
    Without the French during the War of the Revolution, the US would have lost-it's as simple as that.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    In short this is unacceptable. It is a crime to work with a group like the Taliban. Its a crime to work with illegal drug dealers, its a crime to work with the Mafia. Its a crime to work with the Taliban. The USA by working with the Taliban is committing a worldwide crime. It goes against common sense to work with the Taliban.

    While peace loving people of Afghanistan lay their blood on the line to fight the Taliban, big wigs from the USA want to make a deal with the Taliban...it would be like the USA working with the Third Reich toward the end of WW2 this is a criminal action by the USA. It is stunning beyond belief that the USA under Trump and John Bolton are ok with working with the Taliban. Mistakes happen, and people can redeem themselves. Anyone here that can get the word out to US officials that they may know to immediately stop holding talks with the Taliban.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliba...envoy-in-qatar

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/us-taliban-talks-march/index.html


    This is one of those one way topics. There is no excuse to work with the Taliban, rather one can see that enough Afghan people have fought the Taliban so the Anti Taliban folks need to be armed. The Taliban are against freedom, they are not "religious students" but rather are a violent intolerant group.
    Please explain how it is a 'criminal action.' You haven't done that. It looks to me that your understanding of the war in Afghanistan is next to nil.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    It is proven that masses of Afghan people want freedom. Afghanistan has a diverse history we can go back to the 1960s and 1980s to see Afghan people dressing and having same hobbies as Americans.

    GWB fought The Taliban. Americans lost their lives fighting the Taliban in Operation Enduring Freedom...working along side Afghan people whom also lost their lives fighting the Taliban.

    The US gov has worked with intolerant governments but The Taliban is on level of The Reich or ISIL... The Taliban is worse compared to North Korea. The US Gov has to asap cease all talks with the Taliban and move to remove the Taliban from the world.
    1 there is no Afghan people
    2 It is not proven,and very unlikely,that the inhabitants of Afghanistan want freedom : none of them cried : give me freedom or give me death .

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  • Snowshoveler
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Not hard enough, they haven't. We won our war of independence against superior military forces. They can do they same. The real reason Afghans will ever be free is because they aren't even a nation- loyalty is to family first, then tribe and affiliations and nothing to the nation itself.

    Ads for supp;lying arms,. no. They can buy ll the arms they need at rock bottom prices that we cannot begin to match.

    Want to be free? Man up. grow a set, get rid of the archaic 7th century mindset and fight for it.
    You needed France otherwise your independence wouldn’t have happened the Afghans and Americas problem is Pakistan that provides shelter,replacements and training for the Taliban in Afghanistan the same problem the Soviets had,until the US starts treating Pakistan as the terrorist producing factory that it is which they have just started to acknowledge by cutting off military funding Afghanistan is doomed to become a terrorist operational country yet again like it was before 9/11.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Not hard enough, they haven't. We won our war of independence against superior military forces. They can do they same. The real reason Afghans will ever be free is because they aren't even a nation- loyalty is to family first, then tribe and affiliations and nothing to the nation itself.

    Ads for supp;lying arms,. no. They can buy ll the arms they need at rock bottom prices that we cannot begin to match.

    Want to be free? Man up. grow a set, get rid of the archaic 7th century mindset and fight for it.
    Well many Afghan people are tired of the Taliban, in their own words,

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/60147076...#sp=show-clips

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    The issue is that masses of Afghan people have already died fighting the Taliban. The Afghans you speak of supporting the Taliban are a minority.

    Taliban are an enemy of the free world. At the least the USA has no right to work with the group. The US could totally pull out of Afghanistan and supply arms to Afghans that sign documents supporting liberal values and most Afghans would want freedom.
    Not hard enough, they haven't. We won our war of independence against superior military forces. They can do they same. The real reason Afghans will ever be free is because they aren't even a nation- loyalty is to family first, then tribe and affiliations and nothing to the nation itself.

    Ads for supp;lying arms,. no. They can buy ll the arms they need at rock bottom prices that we cannot begin to match.

    Want to be free? Man up. grow a set, get rid of the archaic 7th century mindset and fight for it.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    No, they don't, because they don't want it badly enough to fight and die for it. That is the only true measure of worth for freedom. Time and time again their troops that we have trained and equipped have betrayed us and gotten American soldiers killed.

    The Afghans would be happy to have us fight and die for their freedom, after which they would like us all to leave.

    Afghanistan is not worth the life of one more American soldier, nor one dollar more of our money. The Taliban can have the filthy place.
    The issue is that masses of Afghan people have already died fighting the Taliban. The Afghans you speak of supporting the Taliban are a minority.

    Taliban are an enemy of the free world. At the least the USA has no right to work with the group. The US could totally pull out of Afghanistan and supply arms to Afghans that sign documents supporting liberal values and most Afghans would want freedom.

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