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  • Why Won't the FAA Ground the Boeing 737 Max 8?

    With all of the current 737 groundings in different countries, why won't the FAA ground the aircraft until at least the current crash investigation is completed?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-...-upgrade-mcas/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-latest-crash
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    I would suspect that they do not have a definitive answer to why and from what I heard from a aviation expert is that the most likely problem is pilot error plus lack of or poor maintenance and lack of training. The plane has been in service since May 2017 and he (the expert) said if there was an issue with the plane pilots would talk among themselves and nothing has been said.

    Look at the airlines that had the crash and ask yourself the obvious questions about the training, and maintenance in these second tier airlines.

    Of course the "expert" might be wrong, but I think the FAA is correct in their technical reason for not issuing a grounding order.
    However, once a know-it-all-make-points politician starts their normal babbling who knows what the FAA will do.
    Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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    • #3
      More BS from Trump, this time on aviation...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        More information on the crash and the subject aircraft:

        https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...ash/index.html

        https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/afric...ntl/index.html

        https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/11/opini...end/index.html
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          That is not information about the crash. That is nothing more than we don't know what happened.
          Ask yourself why there has not been any problems with this aircraft with U.S. pilots. Is it because the pilots receive more training and the planes are better maintained.
          Again 2 tier airlines
          Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            More BS from Trump, this time on aviation...

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
            Why is that "BS?"

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            • #7
              Because he doesn't know what he is talking about? He has no aviation experience, he isn't a pilot or a mechanic and he is just making it up once again.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                Why is that "BS?"
                It isn't. Everything is being over-complicated so that more and more gadgets can be sold at ever-increasing prices.
                How many times have we all be forced to buy new phones in the last few years thanks to planned obsolescence?

                IMHO, it's just panic. The 737 is a new star of the industry, so of course the competition will do anything they can to take the best performer down a peg or two.
                Especially now that the biggest plane produced in the EU is going out of production.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                  It isn't. Everything is being over-complicated so that more and more gadgets can be sold at ever-increasing prices.
                  How many times have we all be forced to buy new phones in the last few years thanks to planned obsolescence?

                  IMHO, it's just panic. The 737 is a new star of the industry, so of course the competition will do anything they can to take the best performer down a peg or two.
                  Especially now that the biggest plane produced in the EU is going out of production.
                  Trump is correct. As the complexity of automatic systems on planes increases, it gets to a point where those systems are not intuitive enough to overcome unexpected problems. The Airbus flight 447 crash in the Atlantic is an example of that. The radar on the plane misread a storm front ahead of the plane, and when the plane entered (an accurate picture would have likely led the pilots to go around it), the pitot tubes iced up and caused the autopilot to make wrong decisions about what the plane was doing. The pilots didn't recognize the problem in time and the plane crashed.

                  What's happening with the 737 Max 8 is the same thing. The aircrew isn't reacting properly to the issue with the automatic systems that are very different than on previous 737 models. This is a matter of training.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    More BS from Trump, this time on aviation...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                    lol. This is why they're the party of anti-intellectuals. Everything has to remain dumbed down.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Trump is correct. As the complexity of automatic systems on planes increases, it gets to a point where those systems are not intuitive enough to overcome unexpected problems. The Airbus flight 447 crash in the Atlantic is an example of that. The radar on the plane misread a storm front ahead of the plane, and when the plane entered (an accurate picture would have likely led the pilots to go around it), the pitot tubes iced up and caused the autopilot to make wrong decisions about what the plane was doing. The pilots didn't recognize the problem in time and the plane crashed.

                      What's happening with the 737 Max 8 is the same thing. The aircrew isn't reacting properly to the issue with the automatic systems that are very different than on previous 737 models. This is a matter of training.
                      Was the airbus fleet grounded because of that?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        With all of the current 737 groundings in different countries, why won't the FAA ground the aircraft until at least the current crash investigation is completed?

                        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-...-upgrade-mcas/
                        Could try reading and understanding the links, as a start.
                        EXCERPT:
                        ...
                        FAA will order Boeing to upgrade safety software on its 737 Max 8s, Boeing says
                        Updated on: March 12, 2019 / 5:09 AM / CBS/AP

                        The Federal Aviation Administration has told Boeing it will order the company by next month to institute safety-related software enhancements to its 737 Max 8 planes, Boeing said late Monday. Boeing's statement didn't mention the crash Sunday in Ethiopia of an Ethiopian Airlines Max 8 that killed all 157 people on board, including 8 Americans.

                        But it did say the changes have been in the works since a Lion Air Max 8 crashed into the sea off Indonesia in October, taking the lives of the 189 people on that aircraft.

                        Boeing said the improvements would be deployed across the entire Max 8 fleet in coming weeks, adding that they're "designed to make an already safe aircraft even safer."

                        The changes will include updates of an automated anti-stall system suspected of contributing to the Lion Air crash and of training requirements and flight crew manuals related to the system, known as the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, or MCAS.

                        The system automatically points the plane's nose down if sensors indicate the plane could be in danger of losing lift, or stalling. Sensors on the plane operated by Indonesia's Lion Air gave out faulty readings on its last four flights.

                        On the fatal October flight, pilots apparently struggled in vain to fight against the automated nose-down commands.
                        ...
                        U.S. airlines repeated their belief that the plane is safe.

                        American Airlines, which operates 24 Max 8s, said it bases its judgment on collecting extensive data on its entire fleet, including the Max 8.

                        "We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members," the carrier's vice president of flight service, Jill Surdeck, said in a memo to employees.

                        Southwest Airlines operates the largest U.S. fleet of Max planes, with 34 Max 8s. Spokesman Brian Parrish said the airline remains confident in their safety. United has about a dozen Max 9s, which are slightly bigger than the Max 8.

                        Dozens of Max aircraft crisscrossed the skies over the U.S. Monday, and passengers continued to board them and fly without incident. Passengers interviewed at Houston's Hobby Airport were keenly aware of the crash in Ethiopia. They expressed concern but no panic.
                        ...

                        ...
                        “There are still many facts to learn and work to be done,” he said. “Speculating about the cause of the accident or discussing it without all the necessary facts is not appropriate and could compromise the integrity of the investigation.”

                        The FAA’s “Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community” is how the FAA communicates about safety issues with other aviation regulators around the world.

                        With any accident involving a newly certified aircraft model, investigators and regulators pay special attention in the event that an unknown safety issue emerges. The National Transportation Safety Board, which is the lead U.S. agency under a United Nations treaty, sent a team of four investigators and they were joined by others from Boeing and the FAA.
                        ...

                        As pointed out in other posts here, would seem the issue is more a matter of pilot training and operations shortcomings, not the aircraft design and construction.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          More BS from Trump, this time on aviation...

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                          From your link;
                          "The president added in a second tweet: "I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!"
                          ...

                          How is this BS ?
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                            It isn't. Everything is being over-complicated so that more and more gadgets can be sold at ever-increasing prices.
                            How many times have we all be forced to buy new phones in the last few years thanks to planned obsolescence?

                            IMHO, it's just panic. The 737 is a new star of the industry, so of course the competition will do anything they can to take the best performer down a peg or two.
                            Especially now that the biggest plane produced in the EU is going out of production.
                            Correction, this version is a relatively new(er) aircraft. 737 has been around for about 50 years.

                            Avionics upgrades, and complications, are partly driven by the customers and air transport industry. Take-off is one of the most critical times in an aircraft operation and one for which an exceptional degree of pilot training and proficiency is required. Often literally seconds to recognize a problem and implement the correct solution. Both occasions with the Max 8 appear to be "pilot error" as in insufficient training, perhaps should have had more simulator time.
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                            • #15
                              Didn't take long before TDS reared its ugly head...
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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