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  • EPA staffers busted destroying records

    How can this be happening?
    Everyone knows Government Agency’s never mislead the public and can always be trusted.
    At least that’s what we’ve been told

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the...dit/ar-BBUDUUD
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    How can this be happening?
    Everyone knows Government Agency’s never mislead the public and can always be trusted.
    At least that’s what we’ve been told

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the...dit/ar-BBUDUUD
    Especially one that has caused one of the largest environmental disasters within the contiguous 48 states in the last 50 years (Gold King Mine disaster) then taken no responsibility for it. Yet, they can fine other corporations billions for cheating on diesel tests by miniscule amounts (VW), or an oil well accident (BP). And, now they're destroying records. Mass firings should be in order. I'm talking hundreds if not thousands losing their jobs.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
      How can this be happening?
      Everyone knows Government Agency’s never mislead the public and can always be trusted.
      At least that’s what we’ve been told

      http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the...dit/ar-BBUDUUD
      Want to buy some ocean front property in Colorado?

      The government is the enemy of the American people.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        It's Trump's EPA, unfortunately, and that is where the current problems start.

        The US government is not 'the enemy of the American people.' Trump and his corrupt followers most certainly are.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          It's Trump's EPA, unfortunately, and that is where the current problems start.
          ...
          Yes, he is coming after them, and so they are destroying the evidence of their misdeeds faster than a Nazi Concentration Camp Commandant.

          Trump should fire them all and put all their purview back under the Dept. of Commerce.
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

            Yes, he is coming after them, and so they are destroying the evidence of their misdeeds faster than a Nazi Concentration Camp Commandant.

            Trump should fire them all and put all their purview back under the Dept. of Commerce.
            Who 'is coming after them'? Trump? He revels in corruption, so he would support their actions.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
              How can this be happening?
              Everyone knows Government Agency’s never mislead the public and can always be trusted.
              At least that’s what we’ve been told

              http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the...dit/ar-BBUDUUD
              EXCERPTS:
              ...
              EPA personnel within the CFO’s office claimed they destroyed the records because they had signed non-disclosure agreements prohibiting them from sharing official documents with outside third parties. Inspectors general, however, are entitled by law to access all agency information.

              Jonathan Gant of international anti-corruption watchdog Global Witness said he had never encountered an instance of federal employees destroying official documents while under audit. By general auditing standards, as well as the government’s own rules, he said “such an act would be wrong or illegal.”

              “It seems like it would anger even the most casual reader that officials are heading to the shredder when the inspector comes calling,” Gant told Quartz.
              ...
              Similar situations during the Obama years incensed conservatives.

              “From secret, unidentifiable email addresses to destroyed records to far-left pressure groups funded by billionaire progressives, the EPA has something to hide,” read a 2015 headline on The Blaze, the website started by Glenn Beck. “And they’ll try to take down anyone who dares demand transparency.”

              The year before, the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a Washington, DC think tank with a history of climate denial, sued the EPA over the unexplained destruction of federal records—in this case, deleted text messages.
              ...
              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...dit/ar-BBUDUUD

              Would seem more evidence of that "Deep State" which some whom are implicated with would deny.
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • #8
                Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                EXCERPTS:
                ...
                EPA personnel within the CFO’s office claimed they destroyed the records because they had signed non-disclosure agreements prohibiting them from sharing official documents with outside third parties. Inspectors general, however, are entitled by law to access all agency information.

                Jonathan Gant of international anti-corruption watchdog Global Witness said he had never encountered an instance of federal employees destroying official documents while under audit. By general auditing standards, as well as the government’s own rules, he said “such an act would be wrong or illegal.”

                “It seems like it would anger even the most casual reader that officials are heading to the shredder when the inspector comes calling,” Gant told Quartz.
                ...
                Similar situations during the Obama years incensed conservatives.

                “From secret, unidentifiable email addresses to destroyed records to far-left pressure groups funded by billionaire progressives, the EPA has something to hide,” read a 2015 headline on The Blaze, the website started by Glenn Beck. “And they’ll try to take down anyone who dares demand transparency.”

                The year before, the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a Washington, DC think tank with a history of climate denial, sued the EPA over the unexplained destruction of federal records—in this case, deleted text messages.
                ...
                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...dit/ar-BBUDUUD

                Would seem more evidence of that "Deep State" which some whom are implicated with would deny.
                Nah...just massive corruption at every level.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Bureaucratic corruption and wrongdoing is not partisan. Presidents come and go, Bureaucracy goes on forever, unelected and in the shadows.
                  Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                  Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                    Bureaucratic corruption and wrongdoing is not partisan. Presidents come and go, Bureaucracy goes on forever, unelected and in the shadows.
                    Have you ever worked with civil servants?
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #11
                      the EPA's fudging of the books is the norm for any large government agency and most small government agencies as well. On a much smaller scale is the fudging of the books in any small town/city in the US. Folks need to cover their butts for any number of reasons. Unfortunately, it's just the way it is. Deal.
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                      IN MARE IN COELO

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post

                        Have you ever worked with civil servants?
                        Coming from the man who works with Deep State servants, this is a hilarious question .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          Bureaucratic corruption and wrongdoing is not partisan. Presidents come and go, Bureaucracy goes on forever, unelected and in the shadows.
                          To some degree it is partisan. The majority of "civil servants" are the sort whom can't cut it in the private sector where productivity is usually measured in profitability, hence they NEED to be employed in Guv'mint work where they main job requirement is to just be there, and LOOK busy. This attitude appeals more to the socialist/Left/Democrat mindset than the entrepreneurial Conservative Republican one.

                          Clearest proof of this is how when many Guv'mint functions get farmed out to private sector more real work gets done for less costs.
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                            the EPA's fudging of the books is the norm for any large government agency and most small government agencies as well. On a much smaller scale is the fudging of the books in any small town/city in the US. Folks need to cover their butts for any number of reasons. Unfortunately, it's just the way it is. Deal.
                            I would say it is more prevalent in an agency like the EPA. I have zero doubt that the EPA leans heavily to the Left and has any number of dyed in the wool radical environmentalists working for it. That would make records destruction when it poses a threat to their agenda almost routine.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              Have you ever worked with civil servants?
                              Oh gawd yes. Some of the biggest pile of deadwood and waste I've ever encountered. Worse are those whom for whatever reason have left 'Guv'mint employment' and come into the Private(Profit-based) sector. The vast majority I've dealt with have no clue on what is needed to be efficient, productive,and profitable.

                              What is even more worse, is that few really act in a "servant" of the public~citizen and taxpayer manner. Too many think that we citizens and taxpayers exist to serve them!

                              I've often thought we should have a process of firing the whole lot every five to ten years and then only rehire the ones that were half-assed effective and productive, but I expect that will remain a pipe-dream.

                              My more recent update and perspective comes via my oldest son whom after about seven and a half years in the Army(including combat vet in Iraq) and getting his BA, went to work with Immigration about three years ago. He is so conservative he makes me look like a liberal. I've heard no shortage of his experiences dealing with co-workers whom are flaming liberals, "democrats" and have bent rules and regs as much as possible to be obstructionist to the current POTUS and his Administration.

                              Bottom line is that most are neither "civil" nor "servant", and are only there to collect their paycheck and benefits; which often exceed what they could get or would be worth in the Private Sector.
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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