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  • And Trump Listens to and Believes Putin...

    Why does Trump believe what Putin tells him?

    Putin is a dictator as well as a murderer.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

  • #2
    PuJu Trumps first loves.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      At least Trump isn't selling any more of our uranium to our nuclear "enemy" ...
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • #4
        Who said Trump believes Putin?

        Manafort's case ended with a failure for Mueller today; shouldn't we discuss that fact instead of this biased speculation?
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Who said Trump believes Putin?

          Manafort's case ended with a failure for Mueller today; shouldn't we discuss that fact instead of this biased speculation?
          Trump himself did at Helsinki last year...

          And the Manafort case was a success. He was convicted, was stripped of his assets and will be in jail for 7.5 years. And now he is being indicted by the Manhattan district attorney and if convicted in Manhattan he cannot be pardoned by Trump because the president has no authority to pardon anyone convicted at the state level.

          You're passing incorrect information in order to support Trump, who is corrupt. So what does that say about you?
          Last edited by Massena; 14 Mar 19, 05:27.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            At least Trump isn't selling any more of our uranium to our nuclear "enemy" ...
            More BS, if your inference is regarding the Uranium One controversy. Read and learn:

            https://www.businessinsider.com/ever...scandal-2015-4

            https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/

            From the latter article:

            “no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.”

            https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...russia-scandal

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            • #7
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              At least Trump isn't selling any more of our uranium to our nuclear "enemy" ...







              David your smarter than that. Your posting proven BS.















              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Massena and Half Pint John, etc., et al, ;

                Here's the Deal, the bottom-line substance(1) of the issue;

                You two and other critics of Trump lambast him for business dealings with "the Russians" while he was a private citizen and business man, prior to becoming a candidate for POTUS. You then support and suggest that this continued into his campaign for POTUS via "Russian meddling in our elections", while there has yet to be any evidence that "the Russians" altered any votes or changed any ballot counts. There is evidence that someone "in Russia" hacked into the DNC/Democrat Party computer servers and this resulted in release of emails by Hillary Clinton that were incriminating towards her and the DNC regards how she became the DNC POTUS candidate for the 2016 elections.

                The takeaway(1) here is:
                1) The DNC/Democrats were ineffective at providing proper cyber security to their computer and online systems/servers, etc.
                2) Given that the DNC would be supporting Hillary as a POTUS candidate, their faulty cyber security suggests that Hillary Clinton's use of her own, private computer server system while employed as Secretary of State(SoS) may have been at similar security risk.

                By association and implication (something you two and many of the Loonie-Left here try to apply to Trump) Hillary C. becomes suspect of negligence and possible security violations by her personal actions and use of that non-official computer server while operating as a Federal Office Holder; a.k.a. Secretary of State(SoS).

                BTW, nothing revealed in those ' Wiki-Leak'ed ' emails revealed anything about Hillary C. that those of us whom opposed her didn't already know regarding what a sleaze and scumbag she was/is.

                Add to the above that "off-mic" comment by Obama, while still POTUS, to "the Russians"(then Russian President Medvedev) where he said he'd have more flexibility to "Deal with Them" after he won the 2012 elections;
                ...
                As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time — “particularly with missile defense” — until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.

                “I understand your message about space,” replied Medvedev, who will hand over the presidency to Putin in May.

                “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.

                “I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

                The exchange, parts of it inaudible, was monitored by a White House pool of television journalists as well as Ru
                ... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...bility-russia/
                ...
                This begins to imply two key items;
                1) Obama's willingness to make material/financial "Deals" with "the Russians" while serving in a Federal Office(as POTUS).
                2) Obama's confidence he would "Win" the 2012 POTUS elections; suggesting he knew there would be 'meddling', by the DNC and/or others to "give" him the Win in that election. Hence he could promise a "better Deal" to "the Russians" at a Later Time.

                So if we run this forward from 2012 to 2016 we find that both Obama(BHO) and Clinton(Hillary and Bill) were in collusion with "the Russians" to undermine USA security and future defense for the benefit of their "Russian" sponsors!

                Further 'icing to this cake' can be seen in that Barry Obama's wife was found via his and her's association with a former Domestic Terrorist; Bill Ayers;
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

                So; "Bottom-Line"/"Take-away" (-2);

                (1)I don't care if the "Uranium One" deal was Small or Big, it was an Actual, Physical, Financial "Deal" with "the Russians" done by a couple(plus) of Federal Office Holders to their benefit over that of Our Nation(USA), and helping to undermine our National Security while benefiting a 'Supposed' Enemy.

                (2)That you two,and others, find no harm or issue with these recent~past events underscores how much you two, and others, are the real "enemies within" that need to be dealt with. I've no doubt both of you, plus, are on the NSA's "watch list".

                The real "B.S." is coming from you two and your associates here ...



                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                • #9
                  ^ In line with the above;

                  While Trump was far from the preferred by many of we Conservatives; when the dust settled, he was the last person left standing and considering the far less desirable alternatives offered by the DNC/Democrats; we Conservatives had little option left to consider and support.

                  Meanwhile, there are some Liberal~Leftist~Socialist/Democrats posting and positioning here whom oppose Trump and by inference support the alternative choice(s) Hillary C., or what ever.

                  I, and likely a few other Conservatives, will own up to, man up to, and support Trump; especially considering the distasteful and destructive alternative we had to consider.

                  I'd encourage our treasonous, seditious, and Liberal/Democrat members here to also be honest and show some integrity by "owning up to" and "manning up to" support of their questionable political leaders in form of Obama and Hillary Clinton, etc.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                  • #10
                    Opinion


                    I'd encourage our treasonous, seditious, and Liberal/Democrat members here to also be honest and show some integrity by "owning up to" and "manning up to" support of their questionable political leaders in form of Obama and Hillary Clinton, etc.

                    Red equals Trump and with that you.

                    Hillary Clinton,, where have either of us shown support for Clinton. Massena has said he dislikes her just as much as Trump. I'm in the same boat..

                    Obama, we had a better standing in the World, the rich were getting richer, but not totally off of the back of the poor. Water and air was being protected from pollution and the Dow shot up with greater GDP growth by quarters than Trump. He didn't spend a 1/3 of his time at his own resorts and playing golf and going to rally's inciting people to hate of the other party or to distrust the Media. He didn't react to ridicule like a self centered spoiled child. We had a man in the WH and not a crazed person. OH, but Obama was BLACK. NO PC BS please. Not a race card but fact. Some here where very upset that he and his big mama lived in the White House.

                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      Massena is spreading lies as usual.
                      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=Half Pint John;n5104863]Opinion


                        I'd encourage our treasonous, seditious, and Liberal/Democrat members here to also be honest and show some integrity by "owning up to" and "manning up to" support of their questionable political leaders in form of Obama and Hillary Clinton, etc.

                        Red equals Trump and with that you.

                        Yeah, sure.

                        So what financial risks have you taken in life to try and grow a business, create some wealth?
                        Or like the Clinton's and Obama's have you always lived off of other people's money?

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        Hillary Clinton,, where have either of us shown support for Clinton. Massena has said he dislikes her just as much as Trump. I'm in the same boat..
                        Yet both of you have said about twenty times the negative (more like a hundred times) on Trump as you did on either of the Clintons.

                        There were only two real possible winners for that POTUS race and given your animosity towards Trump, Hillary gets your support by default. Unless you threw away your vote for some no chance to win (or count) third party.

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        Obama, we had a better standing in the World, ...
                        Only with other socialists and some dictators like Putin, Il-Jung, etc.

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        ... the rich were getting richer, but not totally off of the back of the poor.
                        You may want to refresh on basic economics some. This has been going on for decades and one factor is investments - the "rich" do a better job at making their money work for them; This cartoon explains how the rich got rich and the poor got poor

                        https://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/117042...uality-cartoon

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        ... Water and air was being protected from pollution ...
                        And they still are, inside our borders anyway. Rest of the world isn't doing so great and if you passed your science courses (assuming you took such and didn't sleep through them) you'd know that neither air nor water respects political boundries.
                        Meanwhile, the EPA achieved the the mandates for clean air and water decades ago and ever since have been trying to justify their existence and growth by setting standards below natural background levels and for things that aren't pollution, like Carbon Dioxide - CO2. Again, if you had taken and passed some basic junior high school science you'd know that 99+% of life on this planet needs CO2 to exist and at least 300ppm to thrive; so 400ppm is barely above that minimum.

                        Also, if you had taken and passed some basic arithmetic you'd know that ppm equals parts per million and 400 to 1,000,000 is a ratio of 1 to 2500. Basic chemistry and physics would have taught you there is no way a few degrees of heat retained by one molecule of CO2 can transfer an equal amount of heat to the other 2,499 molecules of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, etc. in the atmosphere.


                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        ... and the Dow shot up with greater GDP growth by quarters than Trump.
                        You need to provide documentation on this claim. Also, eight years versus two years isn't a level comparison.

                        You also need to realize that those are only two parts of a complex formula on economics. An even greater indicator is the deficit and national debt. Our nation spent nearly two hundred years racking National Debt up to near $10 Trillion when Obama took office, but the budgets and Deficits he signed off on nearly doubled that in eight years to close to $20 Trillion!
                        http://www.usdebtclock.org/
                        This site's "time machine" only offers back to this time of the years 2008 and 2016, so with some adjustment;
                        http://www.usdebtclock.org/2008.html
                        http://www.usdebtclock.org/2016.html

                        The guy whom spent his lifetime living off of OPM, helped pass this burden onto our future children, etc.
                        Granted, Deficit and Debt has some entropy going back a few decades, but BHO did nothing to put the brakes on that.

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        ... He didn't spend a 1/3 of his time at his own resorts and playing golf
                        Maybe not his own, but I recall many images of him playing a lot of golf on other courses, and quite a few "vacations".

                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        ... and going to rally's inciting people to hate of the other party or to distrust the Media.
                        "If I had a son, he'd be like Trevor Martin"(ambushing citizens at night and trying to pound their head in the pavement?! )
                        Then there's the incident which lead to the "Beer Summit", and several similar devise positions;


                        Oh yeah, also the "I have a phone and a pen"(who needs to work with Congress?)

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                        Last edited by G David Bock; 20 Mar 19, 20:12. Reason: spelling and insert links
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #13
                          Part II

                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          ... He didn't react to ridicule like a self centered spoiled child.



                          Last edited by G David Bock; 20 Mar 19, 17:53.
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • #14
                            Part III
                            ...
                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                            ... We had a man in the WH and not a crazed person.
                            He dedicates the first book he wrote to his bigamist biological father whom abandoned him and his mother when he was still a toddler. Then spends his life living off of OPM, and has "career" associations with a former domestic terrorist, which is how he met his wife.

                            If this is your definition on "a man", I'll stay on the other side of the fence.

                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                            ... OH, but Obama was BLACK. NO PC BS please. Not a race card but fact.
                            Actually, he was HALF-Black. But since color is often considered Race, and you mentioned it when not a factor, guess it is the race card.
                            I've mentioned often enough that I've a mixed racial and ethnic bag in my family for this not to have been a factor.
                            Like MLK, I'm more concerned with character and color of one's thinking and BHO was a racist and worse, socialist.
                            I'd rather see Black Conservatives like Carson, or A. West, or even Cain.

                            [QUOTE=Half Pint John;n5104863] ... Some here where very upset that he and his big mama lived in the White House.


                            On my part, only because we had another socialist looter there whom had an agenda to "fundamentally change America".
                            We may always need improvement, but we don't need change of fundamentals and foundation.
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                            • #15
                              Other than


                              Other than Affordable Care just what did he try to change?

                              How about changing America back to the way it was under Eisenhower and while we're at it get rid of PAC's

                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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