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  • #46
    Omar was talking about allegiance to a foreign country ( coming from a Somali Muslim ...) which means that for her the Jewish Americans are first Jews and than Americans and are thus not patriots .
    The Nazis said the same before the war : they said that a Jew could not be a true German patriot, Omar is saying the same .
    Omar is also lying ,as the majority of Jewish Americans is hostile or indifferent to Israel , She is not hostile to Israel but to all Jews on the world .

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    • #47
      On November 16 2012 Omar said the following :Israel has hypnotized the world,may Allah awake the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel .

      These are not the words of an American, but of a Muslim ,the words from someone whose allegiance to America is subordinate to her allegiance to the Islam .
      For Omar , Americans have no right to support /sympathize with Israel, and those who support/sympathize with Israel are Jews and thus no true Americans , or are bought by Jewish money .
      Obama said the same : when a Democratic senator opposed the Iran Deal, Obama said : you have received money from the Jews .

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        Not even close...but obviously you wish it were so in order to make the assinine behavior of Democrats in general more acceptable.
        Trump is a bombastic type whom often changes his mind or presents out of the ordinary ideas. Look at Syria and how Trump totally dropped the ball..this was one of the worst times Trumps Presidency where Trump said previously I will get the troops out of Syria, but now Trump is ok with having American Troops in Syria.

        Dont forget O C with her 70% tax idea for Americans. And Trump with his idea of having Mexico pay for a wall between the USA and Mexico. Mexico wont pay for anything , just as the USA would not give into such a demand if it came from a foreign leader. This is not how the great men and women of history talked. We need visionaries to lead our country..

        Omar is right to criticize Israel, and she also is the same type that is critical of Saudi Arabia. Omar is a critique of Saudi Arabia. It is incumbent upon Americans to take a stand for the people of Israel and Saudi, whom live under intolerant governments. But what can be said, is that Omar should be dignified and peaceful in her approach to opposing intolerant governments of the world.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • #49
          The only thing that can be used against Omar is bigotry or perceived bigotry. But all these criticisms of Omar itt mostly come from Trump supporters it seems. The same Trump that said I think Islam hates us, the same Trump whom has a spiritual adviser in Pastor Jeffress whom says Jews are going to hell. Our good friend Iljadw is under some spell he thinks also that Islam and Muslims in general are the problem a view that has no place in the civil world.

          There is little or no justice in a Trump supporter criticizing Omar unless that Trump supporter calls out Trump for Trumps mistakes. Omar should be called out if she actually said anything anti Jewish..but all we apparently have our implications. Where as Trump said I think Islam hates us, for all to listen to. If Omar ever said I think Judaism hates us, I would be critical of Omar. If one of the Trumpers itt could please show the specific quote of Omar saying anything Anti Jewish please show it.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • #50
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
            On November 16 2012 Omar said the following :Israel has hypnotized the world,may Allah awake the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel .

            These are not the words of an American, but of a Muslim ,the words from someone whose allegiance to America is subordinate to her allegiance to the Islam .
            For Omar , Americans have no right to support /sympathize with Israel, and those who support/sympathize with Israel are Jews and thus no true Americans , or are bought by Jewish money .
            Obama said the same : when a Democratic senator opposed the Iran Deal, Obama said : you have received money from the Jews .
            Israeli Gov leaders has apparently hypnotized you. Israel does not allow interfaith marriage, Israel effectively blocks freedom of movement among Israels and Palestinians. In the USA we have Americans whom say some of the things Saudi does is evil. That is freedom we have the freedom of speech in the USA Use your free mind my friend. Israel has issues as does Saudi Arabia.

            Can you show one instance of Omar saying something anti Jewish

            Omar is critical of Israel and Saudi, so one can not say Omar is some puppet for Muslim countries against Israel. As for the Islam part, you present the same views as ISIL and Third Reich members. Here you are friend talking about Antisemitism, yet your the same because you generalize negatively against Muslims. One can not make this up, until you can support equality among man your argument can not be used.
            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

            George S Patton

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ljadw View Post

              It is not about Israel ,it is about all Jews in the world : Omar is not anti Israel: she is muslim and antisemitic :antisemitism is a characteristic of the Islam : the Qoran is swarming with antisemitic statements, not anti Israel statements : the Protocols of the Elders of Sion and Mein Kampf are today more than ever hits in the Muslim world , and they do not mention Israel .The Democratic party is now an antiJewish party .
              Besides : Omar LIES : Israel is not buying influence .
              All that your above post how you talk about Muslims is friend just how the Reich talked about Jews. It can be difficult to reason with such views.

              The greatest societies of history supported liberal values and diversity. Its why The Roman Empire included Arabs, Africans, and Europeans. Later in the Kingdom of Jerusalem in the 12th century a Muslim scholar reported Muslims living in digntiy under the Catholic Crown. Later on the Ottoman Empire included European Muslims serving in the highest of ranks

              I see Omar as someone that might be able to led The USA.

              If Omar can respect history in general and its diversity including European Christian history this would be a huge net benefit. Omar could perhaps push for a statue of lets say Catherine of Aragon to be built somewhere in the USA to honor strong women of European history this would be a great idea. Here we would have a Muslim American in Omar celebrating Christian history. We already have many Muslims of history whom love Christian history.

              Omar is a critique of Saudi Arabia, so you can not criticize Omar only for being against Israel.

              Jews overwhelmingly support the Democratic party. The Democratic party in fact has members whom disagree with Omars approach to Israel so much so they sort try and stymie Omars efforts to bring attention to the fact that countries like Israel need change. The Democratic party in fact is led in key parts by Jews like Chuck Schumer. Bernie Sanders is Jewish and he has Democratic support. The list goes on and on, this is common sense all you will have in response my friend is to defy history and reality. It is impossible to say that the Democratic party is antisemitic.


              Are you some kind of Israeli Settler? You have very hardcore views my friend.

              There are masses of Israels and Palestinians that want peace. All through the world divisions are being challenged. In India and Pakistan amid the recent tension between the two nuclear powers there is a social media movement, and just a movement in general among all classes of Indians and Pakistanis to push for peace.
              Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 09 Mar 19, 10:45.
              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

              George S Patton

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              • #52
                What I find interesting...is I wonder if those who claim to be against Israel being a Jewish state - Zionist - not realize that a two-state solution would create precisely that. Under such a theoretical scenario, if a new entity call "Palestine" were to be created, all the Palestinians would go there and all the Jews would congregate in Israel, effectively segregating the two peoples, thus creating a truly Zionist state.
                You'll live, only the best get killed.

                -General Charles de Gaulle

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                  If anything the POTUS has welcomed all this behavior and the election of AOC and Omar is because of the Trump effect.
                  I for one, do believe that Trump is a direct result of Obama. Without Obama's upbringing in certain areas of radical political thought, not to mention the same can be said of those who made up much of his administration, I don't think Trump would have made it anywhere near the White House.

                  Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  I see Omar as someone that might be able to led The USA.
                  This is not possible given in a previous post you equated her with Trump:

                  Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  Omar, AOC and Trump are in the similar category when it comes to behavior. They are not totally the same, but one can note enough similarities.
                  If you hold to the claim that Trump is not fit to lead...then neither is Omar.

                  You'll live, only the best get killed.

                  -General Charles de Gaulle

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by asterix View Post
                    What I find interesting...is I wonder if those who claim to be against Israel being a Jewish state - Zionist - not realize that a two-state solution would create precisely that. Under such a theoretical scenario, if a new entity call "Palestine" were to be created, all the Palestinians would go there and all the Jews would congregate in Israel, effectively segregating the two peoples, thus creating a truly Zionist state.
                    There was a "two state" solution back in 1948. The Arabs/Muslims rejected that and attacked the newly founded state of Israel, goal being the elimination of that state and all the Jews in the Levant. Israel won that war and has been a target of repeated attack ever since and the majority of those attacking Israel still seek it's total elimination and also elimination or expulsion of the Jews.

                    We are a long way from a peaceful solution here.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                      Of course. Because as I said before, you can say whatever you want about anyone else. It's only Israel that's off limits of debate.
                      Reality is Canada, England, etc does not have the equivalent of AIPAC, but people are too busy crying bigotry to look at the facts.



                      And people criticize Pakistan and Saudi Arabia all the time and it's fine. Thank you for proving my point.



                      In your opinion and again you can only arrive at that by making assumptions. It says nothing more about them than what could be said for conservatives who vote for neo nazis or people who say we should have more white babies. These guys are ok, but the ones who talk about a country aren't. Again double standards so no one should take you seriously.

                      Any chance we leave emotion out of it and look at the facts? How many foreign government lobbies are more influential than AIPAC?
                      How about you also remove the emotion (neo-nazi hate of Jews) and try to be a bit more honest and objective ...???

                      Start by examining what AIPAC - American-Israel Public Affairs Committee - is;
                      ...
                      More than 100,000 citizens from across the country work with their elected officials and AIPAC staff to strengthen the bonds between the United States and the Jewish state.

                      AIPAC is not a political action committee (PAC) and we do not rate or endorse candidates for elected or appointed office. AIPAC members in all 50 states are encouraged to be politically active and develop relationships with their members of Congress to help educate them about the importance of U.S.-Israel ties.

                      Beyond building support in Washington, AIPAC engages pro-Israel activists across the country through a vibrant network of 10 regional offices and seven satellite offices. Pro-Israel activists from Missoula to Miami work hand-in-hand with AIPAC staff to improve the future and security of the United States and Israel.
                      ...
                      https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
                      http://www.policyconference.org/

                      The counter point to AIPAC, and one that welds as much if not more influence is CAIR - Council on American-Islamic Relations; another seditious organization similar to La-Raza/MEChA.
                      https://www.cair.com/

                      Omar will be speaking at one of their events;
                      ...
                      Freshman congresswoman Rep. Ilhan Omar is set to step away from a storm swirling around her in Washington and into the San Fernando Valley on March 23, to be a featured speaker at a Council on American-Islamic Relations fundraising event attended by members of the Valley’s American Muslim community.
                      ...
                      https://www.dailynews.com/2019/03/07...alley-muslims/

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                        Israeli Gov leaders has apparently hypnotized you. Israel does not allow interfaith marriage, Israel effectively blocks freedom of movement among Israels and Palestinians. In the USA we have Americans whom say some of the things Saudi does is evil. That is freedom we have the freedom of speech in the USA Use your free mind my friend. Israel has issues as does Saudi Arabia.

                        Can you show one instance of Omar saying something anti Jewish

                        Omar is critical of Israel and Saudi, so one can not say Omar is some puppet for Muslim countries against Israel. As for the Islam part, you present the same views as ISIL and Third Reich members. Here you are friend talking about Antisemitism, yet your the same because you generalize negatively against Muslims. One can not make this up, until you can support equality among man your argument can not be used.
                        And how many synagogues or Christian churches will we find in the Dar al-Islam countries, like say Saudi-Arabia, or Iran?
                        How many new ones of such will be allowed to be built there?
                        What will happen to one who "preaches" about the Jewish or Christian faith in these lands, such as say Pakistan???

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                          All that your above post how you talk about Muslims is friend just how the Reich talked about Jews. It can be difficult to reason with such views.

                          The greatest societies of history supported liberal values and diversity. Its why The Roman Empire included Arabs, Africans, and Europeans. Later in the Kingdom of Jerusalem in the 12th century a Muslim scholar reported Muslims living in digntiy under the Catholic Crown. Later on the Ottoman Empire included European Muslims serving in the highest of ranks

                          I see Omar as someone that might be able to led The USA.

                          If Omar can respect history in general and its diversity including European Christian history this would be a huge net benefit. Omar could perhaps push for a statue of lets say Catherine of Aragon to be built somewhere in the USA to honor strong women of European history this would be a great idea. Here we would have a Muslim American in Omar celebrating Christian history. We already have many Muslims of history whom love Christian history.

                          Omar is a critique of Saudi Arabia, so you can not criticize Omar only for being against Israel.

                          Jews overwhelmingly support the Democratic party. The Democratic party in fact has members whom disagree with Omars approach to Israel so much so they sort try and stymie Omars efforts to bring attention to the fact that countries like Israel need change. The Democratic party in fact is led in key parts by Jews like Chuck Schumer. Bernie Sanders is Jewish and he has Democratic support. The list goes on and on, this is common sense all you will have in response my friend is to defy history and reality. It is impossible to say that the Democratic party is antisemitic.


                          Are you some kind of Israeli Settler? You have very hardcore views my friend.

                          There are masses of Israels and Palestinians that want peace. All through the world divisions are being challenged. In India and Pakistan amid the recent tension between the two nuclear powers there is a social media movement, and just a movement in general among all classes of Indians and Pakistanis to push for peace.
                          ....
                          The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

                          "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

                          From;
                          Book 001, Number 0033:
                          It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

                          http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

                          One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.
                          ....


                          ....
                          There is a Catch 22 here in that what was said to Muhammad by Allah can't be changed and the last of the revelations is very anti non-Muslim. The Koran is not arranged in order of revelation, but roughly longest to shortest of the chapters/Surah. Any later revelation that contradicts an earlier one is the one that was to apply, abrogation. Here's a link to the chronological order of the Koran;
                          http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronologi...f_the_Qur%27an

                          Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

                          [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
                          [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
                          [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
                          [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
                          [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
                          [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
                          [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
                          [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
                          [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
                          [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
                          [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
                          [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
                          [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
                          [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
                          [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
                          [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
                          [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
                          http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html


                          https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...ad-gwot/page64

                          Islam is the only major religion that has scripture and dogma that is considered current in that it is to be applied as hostility towards all other faiths and non-Muslims.

                          It's true that many Muslims are apostates in that they don't engage in the mandated Jihad against we Infidels, but enough of the Islamic world and followers do such, and have for the past 1400 years, to make this so-called religion(ideology with a deity attached) a long time obstacle to world peace, and human freedoms.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                            How about you also remove the emotion (neo-nazi hate of Jews) and try to be a bit more honest and objective ...???

                            Start by examining what AIPAC - American-Israel Public Affairs Committee - is;
                            ...
                            More than 100,000 citizens from across the country work with their elected officials and AIPAC staff to strengthen the bonds between the United States and the Jewish state.

                            AIPAC is not a political action committee (PAC) and we do not rate or endorse candidates for elected or appointed office. AIPAC members in all 50 states are encouraged to be politically active and develop relationships with their members of Congress to help educate them about the importance of U.S.-Israel ties.

                            Beyond building support in Washington, AIPAC engages pro-Israel activists across the country through a vibrant network of 10 regional offices and seven satellite offices. Pro-Israel activists from Missoula to Miami work hand-in-hand with AIPAC staff to improve the future and security of the United States and Israel.
                            ...
                            https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
                            http://www.policyconference.org/

                            The counter point to AIPAC, and one that welds as much if not more influence is CAIR - Council on American-Islamic Relations; another seditious organization similar to La-Raza/MEChA.
                            https://www.cair.com/

                            Omar will be speaking at one of their events;
                            ...
                            Freshman congresswoman Rep. Ilhan Omar is set to step away from a storm swirling around her in Washington and into the San Fernando Valley on March 23, to be a featured speaker at a Council on American-Islamic Relations fundraising event attended by members of the Valley’s American Muslim community.
                            ...
                            https://www.dailynews.com/2019/03/07...alley-muslims/
                            Do you have proof that CAIR donates more money?
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              Do you have proof that CAIR donates more money?
                              Note that I said "influence" not "money".
                              It's a hallmark of Leftist-Loonie/Socialist thinking that everyone can be "bought" and only "money" can influence.

                              Meanwhile, do you have proof that AIPAC is funded to larger amount than any other lobbying interest group (or PAC)?

                              Do you have proof that AIPAC is owned and operated by the Israeli government and not an independent organization working on it's own, but for the sake of Israel?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                                All that your above post how you talk about Muslims is friend just how the Reich talked about Jews. It can be difficult to reason with such views.

                                The greatest societies of history supported liberal values and diversity. Its why The Roman Empire included Arabs, Africans, and Europeans. Later in the Kingdom of Jerusalem in the 12th century a Muslim scholar reported Muslims living in digntiy under the Catholic Crown. Later on the Ottoman Empire included European Muslims serving in the highest of ranks

                                I see Omar as someone that might be able to led The USA.

                                If Omar can respect history in general and its diversity including European Christian history this would be a huge net benefit. Omar could perhaps push for a statue of lets say Catherine of Aragon to be built somewhere in the USA to honor strong women of European history this would be a great idea. Here we would have a Muslim American in Omar celebrating Christian history. We already have many Muslims of history whom love Christian history.

                                Omar is a critique of Saudi Arabia, so you can not criticize Omar only for being against Israel.

                                Jews overwhelmingly support the Democratic party. The Democratic party in fact has members whom disagree with Omars approach to Israel so much so they sort try and stymie Omars efforts to bring attention to the fact that countries like Israel need change. The Democratic party in fact is led in key parts by Jews like Chuck Schumer. Bernie Sanders is Jewish and he has Democratic support. The list goes on and on, this is common sense all you will have in response my friend is to defy history and reality. It is impossible to say that the Democratic party is antisemitic.


                                Are you some kind of Israeli Settler? You have very hardcore views my friend.

                                There are masses of Israels and Palestinians that want peace. All through the world divisions are being challenged. In India and Pakistan amid the recent tension between the two nuclear powers there is a social media movement, and just a movement in general among all classes of Indians and Pakistanis to push for peace.
                                Bernie Sanders is NOT Jewish: he is a Marxist .

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