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  • #31
    Leftism is a religion because the Left generally eschews religion for atheism, which is really secularism, but they can't figure the difference out.
    On the Right, religion is often present so Rightist politics aren't as closely tied to religious beliefs as they are on the Left.
    For the Left, there is no separation of church and state. The state is the church and that church is Atheist. That is, the Left regularly demands all traces of other religions be removed from government and the public view. The Right makes no such demand.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      Leftism is a religion because the Left generally eschews religion for atheism, which is really secularism, but they can't figure the difference out.
      On the Right, religion is often present so Rightist politics aren't as closely tied to religious beliefs as they are on the Left.
      For the Left, there is no separation of church and state. The state is the church and that church is Atheist. That is, the Left regularly demands all traces of other religions be removed from government and the public view. The Right makes no such demand.
      And where will we find that practice actually taking place in America today?
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        Leftism is a religion because the Left generally eschews religion for atheism, which is really secularism, but they can't figure the difference out.
        On the Right, religion is often present so Rightist politics aren't as closely tied to religious beliefs as they are on the Left.
        For the Left, there is no separation of church and state. The state is the church and that church is Atheist. That is, the Left regularly demands all traces of other religions be removed from government and the public view. The Right makes no such demand.
        This isn't a new phenomenon the cult of reason was a part of the French Revolution and Marx famously said religion is the opium of the people. In China the state tried to suppress Buddhism as it was seen as a corruption of the state authority and Confucian virtue.

        The questioning of organized religion is a common feature of history. One of the charges brought against Socrates was impiety. Thomas Jefferson seems to have had a distaste for organized religion and a preference for "rational religion". Religion is such an integral part of many societies that it is probably necessary to address it by anyone interested in social reform.

        It is probably inaccurate to say that Marxism is an essential element of leftist religiosity. It is even a contradiction in terms to say secular religion or political religion. It would be more accurate to say religion like but the conventions of secular religion or political religion are so widely understood that they are a convenient short hand for a more complex set of idea. That said close examination of many of the ideas popular on the left seem to have taken shape around intellectuals that believed in Marx's intellectual insights or were influenced by Marx. When someone says cultural Marxism it is understood that it is short hand for elements of popular culture that are indirectly influenced by some elements of Marx's thinking or take legitimacy from the esteem that Marx is held in as a political and cultural intellectual. It is also true that atheism is not an essential element of leftist religiosity.

        A political religion often occupies the same ethical, psychological and sociological space as a traditional religion, and as a result it often displaces or co-opts existing religious organizations and beliefs. The most central marker of a political religion involves the sacralization of politics
        The religiosity of the left is best defined as reveal truths for which any dissenters who denies them will be persecuted. That many of these ideas have tentative ties to Marxist ideology makes the claim that neo Marxism is the religion of the left valid to the extent that a religion requires a foundational authority. For those opposed to leftist religiosity Marx becomes a convenient target because as a foundational authority he is fairly easy to deconstruct as we have access to his ideas unencumbered by the messiness of popular culture.

        For me a detail deconstruction of neo Marxism is not necessary because anyone familiar with history will if honest already be aware of it's short comings. It should also be self evident that the various cults surrounding leftist religiosity such as elements of the environmental movement, social justice, and identity politics could just as easily by historical accident had other sources for foundational authority. Some people may object to this type of low resolution analysis but it is important to not allow the trees to obstruct the forest.

        The various imprecise terms we use to describe the various amorphous manifestations of leftist religiosity such as cultural Marxism, neo Marxism, post Modernism, social justice cults, environmental totalitarianism, so on and so forth, have one thing in common they describe adherence to revealed truths. They are in fact more symptoms of social disintegration than causes there of. They are analogous to the spread of Christianity in the disintegration of Roman cultural hegemony. The cause seems to be more luxus than anything else. In a more primitive state the value of evidence and reason to classical western culture is analogous to the enlightenment and scientific revolution. The irony of course is that evidence and reasons sets the stage for the practical to be usurped by the ideal when the luxury to do so is available. Religion was in many ways just a practical solution to the problem of "spiritually' binding the culture. By spiritually I simply mean the instinctual needs of the population to feel connected to something larger than themselves. When that spiritual connection becomes weak the culture loses it's immunity to competing ideologies. Those ideologies are dangerous to the extent that they replace the practical with the ideal to such an extent that institutions become dysfunctional. Some of the dysfuncionality is also related to the nature of the dogma itself in that there is a tendency for the ideal to be nihilistic. Nihilistic in some since such as neglecting earthly concerns for the after life or in the case of leftism neglecting necessary hierarchies in the name of equality and empathy. There are of course other critiques to make but that will do for now.



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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          And where will we find that practice actually taking place in America today?
          We could easily start a thread on that, starting with wailing dervishes in all the Universities in the US today. Then we can move on to the promises being made by all the Socialists.... still called Democrats for some reason.... that are running for President already.
          There are piles of useable stuff coming form those mouths,
          And then there is Don Lemmon, the most blindly Dogmatic man on TV today.
          The list goes on and on....
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #35
            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

            We could easily start a thread on that, starting with wailing dervishes in all the Universities in the US today. Then we can move on to the promises being made by all the Socialists.... still called Democrats for some reason.... that are running for President already.
            There are piles of useable stuff coming form those mouths,
            And then there is Don Lemmon, the most blindly Dogmatic man on TV today.
            The list goes on and on....
            So it does.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #36
              How about the victim culture of "white genocide" and the paranoia about "liberal elite"
              Zhitomir-Berdichev, West of Kiev: 24 Dec 1943-31 Jan 1944
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
                How about the victim culture of "white genocide" and the paranoia about "liberal elite"
                You're not paranoid if people really are out to get you.

                I notice you avoided labeling the blacks' constant claim of "white oppression" as paranoia.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
                  How about the victim culture of "white genocide" and the paranoia about "liberal elite"
                  It isn't so much a genocide as a kind of narcissism and nihilism that is common in the West. Perhaps best represented by the cult of environmentalism and other expressions of eschatological dogma common on the left. As I pointed out in an earlier post there are similarities between these movements and the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire.

                  The liberal elite is a well documented phenomenon related to both corporatism and globalism. It shares many of the characteristics of the petite noblesse before the french revolution which ironically produced some of the most dystopian thinkers of that revolution. You can see it manifested in the conflict between the neo liberals and radicals in the Democratic party. While the neo liberals embrace a kind of soft socialism represented by an expanded welfare state the radicals represent neo Marxism in various fragmentary ways. The liberal elites have the same kind of role in society that Victorian and early 20th century reformers played in that it is a source of constant moral panics and often counter productive social policies. Although he doesn't directly discuss it Charles Murray's book Coming Apart illustrates the segregation of society that service industries such as finance and tech creates leading to a disconnect with reality in the "elites". As the value of IQ has increased in society good paying jobs have become increasingly abstract shifting value judgements away from foundational parts of the economy such as infrastructure and manufacturing. When this disconnect from the physicality of existence co-exists with moral panics culture becomes increasingly dystopian.
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