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  • #16
    Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
    Absolutely. It's called eminent domain.

    The Wall will suppress the illegal democrat vote.

    You wouldn't want to win elections with illegal votes?
    I wonder what your opinion would be if it was your land? Eminent Domain is certainly a power of government that is inherent. However, it should only be used for the common good and that has not been demonstrated in this case.

    And which 'illegal democrat vote' is that? That hasn't been demonstrated as fact either, merely a conspiracy theory among fanatic conservatives. The only illegal voting lately was in North Carolina by Republicans.

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    • #17
      https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud

      thanks to Billy Cigar Clinton and his motor voter bill

      Notable Studies and Cases

      There have been a number of accounts that detail alien voting fraud and its impact on the electoral system. While this is hardly a full review of all instances, the following cases highlight the need to address alien registration and voting.

      2008 Presidential Election. A 2014 article published in the journal Electoral Studies found that "non-citizen voters likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform." The report also noted that "there is reason to believe non-citizen voting changed one state's Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama."

      Researchers from Old Dominion University (ODU) and George Mason University (GMU) analyzed participation rates by non-citizens using data from 2008 and 2010 Cooperative Congressional Election Studies. With this data, the researchers estimated that roughly 620,000 non-citizens were registered to vote prior to the 2008 election.

      The researchers focused on the North Carolina presidential tally as well as the senate race in Minnesota. By comparing non-citizen turnout to the vote margin needed to win the elections, they concluded that non-citizen voting likely won the elections for the Democratic Party candidates in both instances. Referring to the North Carolina election, the authors wrote that "it is likely ... that John McCain would have won North Carolina were it not for the votes for Obama cast by non-citizens." They described the Minnesota senate election as one of the most important congressional races in that election cycle, given that it ensured a 60-vote filibuster-proof Democratic majority. Notably, the vote was decided by only 312 votes. Highlighting the razor-thin margin in which candidate Al Franken won, the authors wrote that "participation by more than 0.65 percent of non-citizens in MN is sufficient to account for the entirety of Franken's margin. Our best guess is that nearly ten times as many voted."

      Furthermore, the authors found that many non-citizen voters were able to vote even in states with strict voter ID laws. They wrote: "the fact that most non-citizen immigrants who showed identification were subsequently permitted to vote suggests that efforts to use photo identification to prevent non-citizen voting are unlikely to be particularly effective." They suggested that strict voter ID laws are not a hindrance to non-citizen voting because many are regularly given government-issued ID such as driver's licenses.

      The findings presented in the report are alarming. The report's allegation that major elections were decided by the votes of non-citizens is deeply troubling and an indication that something in our system needs to change to keep aliens from deciding the outcome of elections.

      Public Interest Legal Foundation. The Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is a law group dedicated to ensuring election integrity. They published two reports detailing the specific instances in which aliens were registered to vote.

      The first, from August 2018, details how at least 3,100 aliens were registered to vote in 13 different sanctuary jurisdictions between 2006 and 2018. The "Safe Spaces" report noted that "detection and removal of noncitizen voters [was] generally dependent on the noncitizens self-reporting their ineligible status at the risk of immigration jeopardy and even deportation." This report suggested five solutions that would close off the voter registration system to aliens, including building better information-sharing procedures with DHS to prevent ineligible applications from proceeding.

      The second report focused exclusively on the Commonwealth of Virginia. PILF released a September 2016 report titled "Alien Invasion in Virginia", which highlighted the ways in which 1,046 aliens registered to vote in eight counties. In May 2017, PILF released a follow-up to that study titled "Alien Invasion II: The Sequel to the Discovery and Cover-up of Non-Citizen Registration and Voting in Virginia". That report was even more damning:

      5,556 non-citizens have been removed from the voter rolls for citizenship problems in 120 of Virginia's 133 voting jurisdictions since 2011. In 102 of these jurisdictions, 1,852 individuals cast 7,474 ballots before election officials cancelled their registrations. In the other 13 voting jurisdictions, election officials have not removed a single record from the voter rolls because of citizenship problems in over 6 years.
      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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      • #18
        San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...ctions-n893221
        Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
        Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
          San Francisco allows undocumented immigrants to vote in school elections

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...ctions-n893221
          The registration process in California to be registered to vote almost ensures illegals can vote in any election. Jerry Brown's version of the "Motor Voter" law makes voter registration automatic when you get or renew your driver's license unless you specifically opt out. There is no provision that you need to provide proof you are a US citizen, but rather you have to tell the DMV you aren't. If you don't speak up, you get registered to vote.

          Making that even easier now, is California's new ballot harvesting law. Illegals get registered to vote. They give their ballot to a Democrat collector who comes to their house and fills it out for them...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            The registration process in California to be registered to vote almost ensures illegals can vote in any election. Jerry Brown's version of the "Motor Voter" law makes voter registration automatic when you get or renew your driver's license unless you specifically opt out. There is no provision that you need to provide proof you are a US citizen, but rather you have to tell the DMV you aren't. If you don't speak up, you get registered to vote.

            Making that even easier now, is California's new ballot harvesting law. Illegals get registered to vote. They give their ballot to a Democrat collector who comes to their house and fills it out for them...
            California is beyond salvation, I grew up in San Diego and Riverside County it is unrecognizable today.
            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              Guess again:

              https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/u...n-borders.html

              It's nothing more than more Trump false accusations in order to get his vanity wall.

              What about those US citizens who have property on the Mexican border that will be impacted if there is a wall built on or near their property?

              That's OK with you?
              Well, we all know where you stand: firmly on the side of the anti-Americans.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                Well, we all know where you stand: firmly on the side of the anti-Americans.
                And which 'anti-Americans' are those? The citizens along the border who want to keep their family property? Those who don't support Trump and his corruption? Or people like you that just follow Trump no matter what he does?

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