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    The democrats are pushing open borders; what say you, good or bad?

  • #2
    Source?
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
      The democrats are pushing open borders; what say you, good or bad?
      Totally insane.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Once again-source? Or are you two just making things up again?
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Once again-source? Or are you two just making things up again?
          My own ears?

          The Democrats will vehemently deny that they are for "Open Borders", but that is the De Facto result of their policies.

          They oppose any barriers being built from preventing people from crossing illegally. .
          They oppose people being held in custody if they're caught, and want them released into interior.
          They grudgingly allow that criminal illegals should be deported, but not people here illegally.
          I listened to Klobochar's interview with Bret Baier, she wants to "prioritize" deportations for criminal illegal felons, but could not bring herself to admit that non-felon illegals who have been denied refugee status should be deported.

          To summarize, if you oppose preventing people from crossing illegally, oppose detaining them, and always find an excuse for letting illegal migrants stay (excepting hardened criminals) then what you have is De Facto "Open Borders"

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          • #6
            Funny that. The Democrats in Congress talk continuously, when the subject comes up, about border security.

            And 'my own ears' is not a source.

            Try again-all you're doing is posting your opinion.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Sources
              https://cis.org/Krikorian/Yes-Democr...e-Open-Borders

              https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-open-borders/

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...ers-1542744648


              https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...-for-democrats


              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...s-open-borders
              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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              • #8
                More,
                https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rders-dreamers
                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                • #9
                  Guess again:

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/u...n-borders.html

                  It's nothing more than more Trump false accusations in order to get his vanity wall.

                  What about those US citizens who have property on the Mexican border that will be impacted if there is a wall built on or near their property?

                  That's OK with you?
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    One of the results of Trump being elected is the Democrats are climbing over each other to race as far to the left on every issue as possible.
                    They must distance themselves from him, even if they previously supported the same stand on this or any issue.
                    They cannot and must not be viewed as being in agreement with Trump.
                    This is the perfect set up to divide the Democratic Party between centrist and extremists.
                    Trump wants the federal government to fulfill its legal responsibility to secure the borders,
                    the democrats must take the opposite stand.
                    Trump wants to negotiate the end of the Korean War, the Democrats must take the opposite stand.
                    The Democrats are willingly painting themselves into a corner with socialists, communist, radical anti capitalist and anti white anti male anti heterosexual activist.
                    Even to the point, that they have surrendered to Islamic community organizers .
                    This will backfire on them and thatís a good thing!
                    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Guess again:

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/u...n-borders.html

                      It's nothing more than more Trump false accusations in order to get his vanity wall.

                      What about those US citizens who have property on the Mexican border that will be impacted if there is a wall built on or near their property?

                      That's OK with you?
                      Are sanctuary cities, etc., okay with you? Is it appropriate for Democrat politicians to pass laws that prohibit law enforcement from assisting ICE in removing illegal aliens? Is it a good thing that Democrats have passed legislation that can allow illegals, either knowingly, or unwittingly, to be registered to vote? Do you think that Democrats wanting to end "catch and jail" illegal aliens rather than "catch and release" which they prefer, is a good thing?

                      Seems to me that the Democrats are for open borders in deed, if not word.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Guess again:

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/u...n-borders.html

                        It's nothing more than more Trump false accusations in order to get his vanity wall.

                        What about those US citizens who have property on the Mexican border that will be impacted if there is a wall built on or near their property?

                        That's OK with you?
                        IIRC, many of those with property on the Mexican border are tired of the trash, 'rape-trees', trespass across their land and having to always go about their property armed. If the Fed pays for a wall/barrier that reduces this unwanted problems on their land, I'd bet most of them would see this as a positive and improvement.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                          IIRC, many of those with property on the Mexican border are tired of the trash, 'rape-trees', trespass across their land and having to always go about their property armed. If the Fed pays for a wall/barrier that reduces this unwanted problems on their land, I'd bet most of them would see this as a positive and improvement.
                          I agree, I know this to be true since I live in Texas and I talk to people, the MSM only talks to people that support their talking points!
                          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                            IIRC, many of those with property on the Mexican border are tired of the trash, 'rape-trees', trespass across their land and having to always go about their property armed. If the Fed pays for a wall/barrier that reduces this unwanted problems on their land, I'd bet most of them would see this as a positive and improvement.
                            I know plenty of people in Arizona that live in La Paz, and Cochise counties in particular, that are livid over illegal immigration. They hate having their property trashed, and heavily armed drug mules moving their goods along smuggling routes over it. One of the new tactics these groups are using is to deliberately set range and forest fires (mostly on BLM or National Forest land) to cover their operations.

                            http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2018/05/...y-arizona.html

                            https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-i...rizona-rancher

                            We get periodic gunfights between smugglers on roads here, coyotes that lose control or whatever and crash their vehicle usually injuring or killing upwards of a dozen or more simply because they've packed the vehicle with as many illegals as possible.
                            Telling people that the numbers are down and things are getting safer isn't convincing them. They see the problem as still out of control even if it has gotten a bit better.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post
                              Guess again:

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/u...n-borders.html

                              It's nothing more than more Trump false accusations in order to get his vanity wall.

                              What about those US citizens who have property on the Mexican border that will be impacted if there is a wall built on or near their property?

                              That's OK with you?
                              Absolutely. It's called eminent domain.

                              The Wall will suppress the illegal democrat vote.

                              You wouldn't want to win elections with illegal votes?
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                              "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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