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  • TacCovert4
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    Go to the police. And I would be in agreement with treating church malfeasance by shuffling priests when a criminal complaint is made as a conspiracy to obstruct justice. Start arresting bishops and cardinals for shuffling

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Where else would you go except to the police?
    Nowadays such a proposition sounds reasonable, even obvious. Turn the clock back forty or fifty years though, and it wasn't so obvious. The default position, for lots of people, was that clerics were always beyond suspicion. Back in the day, 'most any authority figure was beyond suspicion. Even if the vic raised a complaint, there were precious few in a position to do anything about it who actually would. That was just the plain fact. Like as not, most vics just had to eat it.

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  • Massena
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    Where else would you go except to the police?

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
    I won't condemn the meeting before it happens and I don't think four days is too few to address a problem like this considering the solutions are obvious but he is going to have to go in there like Al Capone and he better.

    LEOs don't need papal permission to make an arrest bur the Vatican needs to shut down the shuffle. Besides immediate turnover of evidence for legal investigations, a church law that an accused priest cannot be transported outside of his parish until the conclusion of all investigations, law enforcement and clerical, wouldn't go amiss. Sequester him from the church while investigations are underway.
    The meeting ended yesterday so it is a done deal.
    One of the issues is the sanctity of the confessional. Confessions brought out or discussed in a confession is considered confidential.
    The lesson is, if a priest does anything inappropriate don’t report it to the church, go to the police.

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  • Pirateship1982
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    The Vatican is actually a separate nation with its own diplomats, police, passports and laws. Beyond that, dealing with the political might of the Catholic Church is a difficult diplomatic matter for Italy. To all Catholics, the Pope is the earthly son of God.

    Many of the same restrictions apparently apply to other nations like our own, although I'm not sure why. I'm pretty certain we can arrest a priest who commits murder, say, or some other capital crime.
    Yeah there is no diplomatic immunity for priests. They can be arrested and prosecuted like anyone else. The main problem is cover-ups and fleeing from justice. If someone does complain they usually complain to the church authorities first who then shuffle the priest. He's gone before anyone takes legal action. If you can grab them you can prosecute them but you'd have to be fast about it and hit them before papal authorities know and can react.

    It pains me to say it, but you'd almost have to handle the investigation like you're dealing with an organized crime syndicate.

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  • Pirateship1982
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    I won't condemn the meeting before it happens and I don't think four days is too few to address a problem like this considering the solutions are obvious but he is going to have to go in there like Al Capone and he better.

    LEOs don't need papal permission to make an arrest bur the Vatican needs to shut down the shuffle. Besides immediate turnover of evidence for legal investigations, a church law that an accused priest cannot be transported outside of his parish until the conclusion of all investigations, law enforcement and clerical, wouldn't go amiss. Sequester him from the church while investigations are underway.

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  • Mountain Man
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    There is a another serious and much larger problem. According to law in America, everyone involved in sheltering the crime and the criminal and/or with knowledge of the crime is an accessory and legally guilty of the same crime. This could go all the way up to the Pope himself.

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  • SRV Ron
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    And yet he defrocked a cardinal for this very crime.
    So the child molester just gets demoted as the punishment for his sins? The problem is that most of these child molesters end up being transferred to another parish where they can molest more children as hush money is paid out to the parents from the collection plate.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    After years of abuse going back to the 1950s and beyond the Pope and the Catholic Church is still clueless when it comes to the very simple question,
    ”what should we do with clergy who abuse children?”

    Here is a easy fix, stop sheltering them and turn them over to the nearest prosecutor and let them be treated like anyone else!

    Which leads to the next question, is there some rule, unspoken maybe, that the rest of us aren’t in on? Why is the Church dictating to the law enforcement agencies of every nation on earth that the laws don’t apply in The Vatican?

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/accou...rome-will-fail
    The Vatican is actually a separate nation with its own diplomats, police, passports and laws. Beyond that, dealing with the political might of the Catholic Church is a difficult diplomatic matter for Italy. To all Catholics, the Pope is the earthly son of God.

    Many of the same restrictions apparently apply to other nations like our own, although I'm not sure why. I'm pretty certain we can arrest a priest who commits murder, say, or some other capital crime.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Defrock? How about turn over all evidence to the prosecutor and letting the legal system take care of the issue?
    Just like a teacher, coach, truck driver, lawyer, mayor, etc etc?

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  • Massena
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    And yet he defrocked a cardinal for this very crime.

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  • Urban hermit
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    After seeing this story last week, the arrogance and complete contempt this man expresses says it all,
    He’’s not sure that child molestation is a crime!
    you can’’t make this crap up, this is a spiritual leader for thousands of faithful Catholics, who have trusted him, a educated man who traveled in the same groups of politicans,
    and he doesn’t what?
    https://www.theamericanconservative....on-is-a-crime/

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    The Church insists on Church officers be tried in Church courts. Historically these courts are very lax and often do not punish hard. This had been a sticking point between the Church and independent states. One such case was Henry II and St Thomas Becket. Even when they allow a trial by the local powers, the Church has ruled the local courts want to limit that power to very low ranking Church members.

    Pruitt
    The perpetrators are just that, perpetrators, they, judges, elected officials any and everyone must be held toone standard.
    Like here in Boise,
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-cat...for-child-porn

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  • Pruitt
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    The Church insists on Church officers be tried in Church courts. Historically these courts are very lax and often do not punish hard. This had been a sticking point between the Church and independent states. One such case was Henry II and St Thomas Becket. Even when they allow a trial by the local powers, the Church has ruled the local courts are limited to very low ranking Church members.

    Pruitt

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  • After a four day conference The Pope is still clueless

    After years of abuse going back to the 1950s and beyond the Pope and the Catholic Church is still clueless when it comes to the very simple question,
    ”what should we do with clergy who abuse children?”

    Here is a easy fix, stop sheltering them and turn them over to the nearest prosecutor and let them be treated like anyone else!

    Which leads to the next question, is there some rule, unspoken maybe, that the rest of us aren’t in on? Why is the Church dictating to the law enforcement agencies of every nation on earth that the laws don’t apply in The Vatican?

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/accou...rome-will-fail

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