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  • #46
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Summaries are great-except when it isn't over yet. Junior, and others, may think they're out of the woods, but they may not be:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    Trump still has a card up his sleeve. He could release all of the information to include the FISA warrants.....unredacted and let the chips fall where they may.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

      So what you're saying is that even when I made my point so abundantly clear that an imbecile could understand it it was still beyond what your intellect can grasp?

      I feel like the Black Adder trying to explain something simple to Baldric.

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      How much do you like turnips?
      Actually , what I have been ATTEMPTING to point out is , that in spite of your protests that your attachment to Donald Trump is not an emotional fixation - you continue to make a series of posts that STRONGLY indicate that the attachment is less than logical.
      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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      • #48
        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

        Acorn anyone? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/18-...election-fraud

        You do realize that community organizer really means community agitator? Obama was given the same look the other way treatment by the media than Clinton received.
        Again, you can't equate the damage caused by the two of them- before they became president. , Ahem, POTUS. Donald's Trump's false university scheme has already paid out over twenty five million, in damages, from his pocket. AND MORE court cases are pending- wait for 2019.

        Ignore the man behind the curtain" only works for the wizard of OZ.
        Last edited by marktwain; 26 Feb 19, 11:34.
        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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        • #49
          Originally posted by marktwain View Post

          Again, you can't equate the damage caused by the two of them- before they became president. , Ahem, POTUS. Donald's Trump's false university scheme has already paid out over twenty five million, in damages, from his pocket. AND MORE court cases are pending- wait for 2019.

          Ignore the man behind the curtain" only works for the wizard of OZ.
          I don't have the energy to prove this point but humans have a tendency to associate intent with consequences. It is one of the reasons that socialism has an appeal to let's say the low end of the exceptionally bright. Say the 120 to 130 IQ range. It also of course appeals to the truly exceptional because they are siphoned off in large numbers to do intellectual work that may not be directly associated with productivity. I'm going to ignore the population for whom it's appeal is a result of poor performance. What we see is a connection between liberal attitudes and performance measures that are abstract. Often you would find a correlation with verbal IQ but only statically. As it relates to our discussion how would you propose to measure damages between something such ​​​as community well being and something that has a monetary measure.

          Trump oversold the value of Trump University and the measurement there of are fairly direct. Nobody to my knowledge even begins to know how to measure the value of community organization. We can say that programs such as head start with an estimated overall cost around 10 billion have had a negligible positive metric. That is just one example of how good intentions can squander huge amounts of resources and can amount to a type of fraud in which the data is either ignored or international distorted because of the false equivalency of intent and outcome.

          Social justice has become a secular religion. Just like the missionaries that wished to bring God and civilization to stone age people good intentions are not enough. The presumption that social engineering will always have better results than a laissez faire approach is the Achilles heel of those that experience the world only through abstractions. The danger that a purely abstract interaction will produce revealed truths confounds intellectuals on both the left and right.

          Another aspect to consider is the relationship between character and performance. The assumption that character can be measured in anything other than results is part of the natural prejudice for revealed truths. Evolution has not prepared us for the complex social environment we live in. In simple societies the relationship between character evaluation and survival is more direct. Bill Clinton for example probably couldn't survive in a tribal society where sexual relations with someone's daughter is likely to get you killed. That said he was not the worse president in recent memory. His willingness to comprise the revealed truths of his own party was in fact what made him modestly successful.

          We often find that true believers are more dangerous than hypocrites but that is so anathema to our instincts we are blind to the reality. It all goes back to how poorly our "sciences" do when dealing with complex chaotic systems. Political science and sociology today are corrupt. Not because of bad intents but because of revealed truths. Scott Adams does a good job of explaining why Obama was a failure and Trump is modestly successful. It has nothing to do with intellectual ability or character but the ability to cut throw the fog of revealed truths. We live in a world where logic is an insufficient tool for sorting through cultural complexity. It comes down to a world view in which freewill is real or society is just a clockwork process to be tinkered with.

          The clockwork view appeals to people with high ability to manipulate abstractions. That however is a fundamentally wrong view because it seems God does play dice. It is very hard for the gifted to understand that randomness is the source of everything. A little bit of chaos is the spark not only of physical but societal evolution. It may even be why consciousness is so hard to explain. It certainly explains why social engineers like Obama who discount freewill often fail.
          Last edited by wolfhnd; 26 Feb 19, 15:30.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Nichols View Post

            Trump still has a card up his sleeve. He could release all of the information to include the FISA warrants.....unredacted and let the chips fall where they may.
            I wanted him to do this a long time ago. I gave up getting my hopes up by now.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              You actually believe Massena is some sort of "prophet"?
              Correct quote: A prophet is not without honor save in his own country

              Words spoken by Jesus to the people of Nazareth, the town where he grew up. They refused to believe in his teaching because they considered him one of themselves and therefore without authority to preach to them


              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #52
                Actually, at the rate the Democrats are going, they're going to be the best reason Trump gets reelected. From the Green New Deal, to calls for Socialism, to just having lurched hard to the Left, they're doomed on their ideas alone.



                As Crowder puts it "He's (Trump) not necessarily doing everything right, but that the Democrats are doing everything wrong."

                Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 27 Feb 19, 01:29.

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                • #53
                  Trump reminds of that quote from Heller's Catch22 (I have to look it up to get it right);

                  "It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character."
                  "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                  validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                  "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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