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  • wolfhnd
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    It is hard to make any kind of deal if you are "leading from behind". Obama's book should be titled The Art of Losing While Appearing Sober and Judicious.

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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

    You are still applying a Western mind set. The Chinese regime in the past has been prepared to see parts of its population starve rather than back off politically. If they can't find an alternative supply the farmers and the hogs would be sacrificed. If the farmers complain well there are plenty of places in "re-education camps".
    I know the folks in Beijing are cruel and would sacrifice their people, if need be. If the Chinese would rather starve than come around, then so be it. I have confidence soybean can be sold for other purposes other than hog feed.

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post

    China is the world’s largest pork-producing nation. Until China find a replacement for soymeal in their pig feed, they will be dependent on US soybean. Brazil, Argentina and the US are the world's main suppliers of soybean, but the US soybeans are superior to those from Brazil and Argentina. Some soybeans contain less crude protein, depending on where the crops are grown. Even in the US, there's a difference; soybeans grown in areas like Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota contain less crude protein compared to soybeans grown south of them, like in Illinois, Indiana and Ohio.

    I doubt China will find a suitable replacement for soymeal. In addition to being a low cost ingredient, the nutritional variances in soybean meal ensures hog farmers are getting the most benefit for their herds.
    You are still applying a Western mind set. The Chinese regime in the past has been prepared to see parts of its population starve rather than back off politically. If they can't find an alternative supply the farmers and the hogs would be sacrificed. If the farmers complain well there are plenty of places in "re-education camps". In the mean time US farmers will be complaining very loudly and the next elections are not that far away.

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  • Persephone
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    If US soy farmers find other buyers for their soybean crop, China may very well end up paying more for soybean when they finally come around.

    Does....The Art of the Deal sound familiar?

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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

    The problem with fighting a trade war with a state like China is that they don't have lobbies etc and the Communist Party is not that worried about imposing economic hardships on its people to win a political point - they take a long view sometimes and they don't have to worry about winning next years election.
    China is the world’s largest pork-producing nation. Until China find a replacement for soymeal in their pig feed, they will be dependent on US soybean. Brazil, Argentina and the US are the world's main suppliers of soybean, but the US soybeans are superior to those from Brazil and Argentina. Some soybeans contain less crude protein, depending on where the crops are grown. Even in the US, there's a difference; soybeans grown in areas like Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota contain less crude protein compared to soybeans grown south of them, like in Illinois, Indiana and Ohio.

    I doubt China will find a suitable replacement for soymeal. In addition to being a low cost ingredient, the nutritional variances in soybean meal ensures hog farmers are getting the most benefit for their herds.
    Last edited by Persephone; 24 Feb 19, 12:32.

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  • Massena
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    And Trump didn't even write the book...

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post


    I didn't think China would hold out too long because they need our soybeans to feed their pigs. They buy soybeans from other countries as well, like Brazil and Argentina but they need more...they need our soybeans.
    The problem with fighting a trade war with a state like China is that they don't have lobbies etc and the Communist Party is not that worried about imposing economic hardships on its people to win a political point - they take a long view sometimes and they don't have to worry about winning next years election.
    Last edited by MarkV; 24 Feb 19, 07:55.

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    There were no soy beans in Sussex in 1944.
    Wrong. Soya beans were first imported into Britain in 1908 from Manchuria, initially for oil production but milling of soya meal and flour followed soon and the trade increased - South America becoming a major source. During WW2 Soya imports increased as it became a substitute for meat based proteins. Soy beans and soya beans are interchangeable names for the same product
    Last edited by MarkV; 24 Feb 19, 07:31.

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  • Half Pint John
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    all not needed. Screws the US farmer and the national debt paying the farmers for their losses.

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  • Persephone
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    The United Soybean Board is currently looking at other markets to sell soybeans. There are so many other uses for soybean.


    INDUSTRIAL USES OF SOY
    Updated: November 1, 2018
    Manufacturers of both industrial and consumer products use soybean oil and meal to replace petroleum and other volatile or hazardous ingredients, as well as increase product performance. The versatility of U.S. soybean components makes product applications remarkably wide-ranging, including rubber, fiber, coatings, solvents, plastics, lubricants and adhesives.

    Adding yet another reason for product manufacturers to look at using soybeans, high oleic soybeans provide industrial users with an oil that remains stable in high-heat conditions. With the potential to add demand for soybeans in markets that require performance under high-heat conditions — such as synthetic motor oils and automotive lubricants — high oleic soybeans are currently grown in 12 states.1

    In addition to helping manufacturers reduce their dependency on petrochemicals and insulate themselves from price fluctuations for raw materials, soybeans enable manufacturers to replace possible carcinogens and satisfy consumer demand for sustainable, environmentally-friendly products.2

    The future for soy-based products looks bright, with USB’s Soy Products Guidecontaining 1,000+ soy-based products currently on the market — from flooring and roofing products to candles and personal care items.

    https://unitedsoybean.org/media-cent...fs/industrial/

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  • Persephone
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    UPDATE 1-China commits to buy 10 mln tonnes U.S. soy in White House meeting -Perdue

    https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-...-idUSL1N20H1RJ

    I didn't think China would hold out too long because they need our soybeans to feed their pigs. They buy soybeans from other countries as well, like Brazil and Argentina but they need more...they need our soybeans.
    Last edited by Persephone; 23 Feb 19, 21:13.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Man o Man, you got to love that British cuisine!
    Sounds like the chow my dad ate in Sussex- 1944.
    There were no soy beans in Sussex in 1944.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    Confiscate all those beans as an emergency measure, grind them into flour, add water and mix into a dough. cut dough into oblongs, triple bake then until they are brick hard with a glaze - use to build wall - problem solved really solved
    Man o Man, you got to love that British cuisine!
    Sounds like the chow my dad ate in Sussex- 1944.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    Confiscate all those beans as an emergency measure, grind them into flour, add water and mix into a dough. cut dough into oblongs, triple bake then until they are brick hard with a glaze - use to build wall - problem solved really solved
    And impregnate them with plenty of Exlax. Anyone eating the wall will crap themselves to death before they get anywhere near America.

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  • Mountain Man
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    There are millions of starving people all over the world. Someone will buy them...and probably resell them to the Chinese who still have to feed one billion people. Or the Japanese will use them to stock up on Tofu and Soy Sauce.

    Nil desperado

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