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  • Originally posted by Massena View Post

    And just where are all these 'mass mobs of radical leftists rioting in the streets'? The last major problem 'in the streets' was the Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, et al, who demonstrated in Charlottesville, caused a 'riot' and then murdered a woman. Have you forgotten about that?

    I think you are proving the point that white nationalists aren't a huge threat in this country.
    Invariably, Charlottesville, and only Charlottesville, is claimed as proof of the threat these people pose.
    That was one murder and a year and a half ago.

    One would think that if they were a significant and increasing threat there would be reference to other violent crimes. Perhaps there are more, but we have to hunt for them.

    Furthermore, if we are to accept that the terrorist act of some white nationalists in NZ is proof that we must address a threat here, can we apply the same logic to radical muslims?
    The list of Christians murdered for their religion by Islamic radicals is much longer than the reverse, or of white nationalists murdering people.
    If you disagree, look of the Egyptian Cop[tic church and Boko Harem's treatment of Christians.
    To say nothing of ISIS, AQ and the Taliban.

    The attack in NZ was a heinous terrorist attack, but we shouldn't be so quick to try and make political use of it.
    I wondered how long it would take people to try and associate this with Trump. It obviously wasn't long.
    As an aside, a young muslim woman was blaming Chelsea Clinton for the attack. That is as ridiculous as trying to blame trump

    As for riots by radical leftists, I give you Antifa.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/20343...017-frank-camp

    I give you BLM
    (5 cops murdered)
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/ph...sts/index.html
    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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    • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

      Once more you plumb the depths of ignorance Marx and Engels were not nationalists. They believed that the nation state was established as a means to bring about capitalism and that nationalism was a bourgeois creation. Marx wrote papers vigorously attacking nationalist movements. Their belief was once communism was established nations would wither away, they were wrong. Communist regimes tended to persecute ALL religions
      What is your evidence that Hitler pampered Muslims?
      SS Division Handschar ? Never heard of ?
      Never heard about the Mufti of Jeruzalem who met Hitler during the war ?
      You never read what Marx and Engels said about non-whites, about the defense of Marx of the slavery in the US ?
      You never heard of ''Islam and Nazi Germany's war '' by David Motadel ?
      And it is obvious that you even do not know the difference between nationalism and White Nationalism .
      Marx and Engels were German nationalists who considered most Slaves ,especially Russians as Untermenschen who were an obstacle to progress and should be exterminated .

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      • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

        What an odd sense of history you have. plenty of examples of right wing radicals changing political systems using violent methods and then going on to kill millions in carrying out their cockeyed philosophies - Italy, Germany, Spain, Hungary etc come to mind.
        France, Russia, Cambodia, Cuba, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Venezuela, Vietnam... The Left has anything you can come up with beat hands down when it comes to tyranny of the mob.

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        • Who said : Race is a determining factor in historical development ? (implying that races existed and that there were superior and inferior races ) A right -winger ?Friedrich Engels is, as far as I know, not a right winger . It was Friedrich Engels who said this , a white nationalist .
          Thus white nationalist, racist, Islam enemy are not synonyms of right- winger .A right-winger is a conservative, he can be a white nationalist, a racist, an enemy of the Islam,but he can also be a friend of the Islam, an anti-racist, not a white nationalist .
          The attempts of the liberal enemies of Trump to use the Christchurch massacre to hurt Trump and the Trump followers are destined to backfire and to fail .

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          • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            France, Russia, Cambodia, Cuba, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Venezuela, Vietnam... The Left has anything you can come up with beat hands down when it comes to tyranny of the mob.
            Please inform Bozo that Spain, Germany and Italy where all far right governments.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

              Please inform Bozo that Spain, Germany and Italy where all far right governments.
              As were the Greek colonels, the Hungarian 'Iron Guard' etc etc. He really does have a very blinkered view of history
              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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              • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                As were the Greek colonels, the Hungarian 'Iron Guard' etc etc. He really does have a very blinkered view of history
                Haha
                Hungarian Iron Guard haha .
                Proof it that the ROMANIAN Iron Guard was far right .
                You would even not know the difference between a Big Mac and far right .
                The Iron Guard was nationalist, wich it does not make far right, unless you will admit that Nasser and Erdogan are far right .And Ceaucescu .
                The Iron Guard was anti Jewish which it does not make far right, unless you will say that Corbyn is far right .
                Last edited by ljadw; 19 Mar 19, 08:52.

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                • In 1933 ,one of the leaders and ideologues of the Iron Guard/Legion Vassile Marin said that political concepts as right, left and extremism had died in Romania and in Europe .They had been replaced by a '' totalitarian view of the natinal life ''which was common for Fascism.Nazism and the Legion .
                  Marin said later even that the Legion was an expression of the Left, not of the Far Right .

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                  • Originally posted by American87 View Post
                    They’re down to a small number. Added to the Charlottesville crowd, this makes about 75 white nationalists in the country, or something like that.
                    That's what Donnie says. Lot's more than 75 alt-righters.

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                    • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                      Haha
                      Hungarian Iron Guard haha .
                      Proof it that the ROMANIAN Iron Guard was far right .
                      You would even not know the difference between a Big Mac and far right .
                      The Iron Guard was nationalist, wich it does not make far right, unless you will admit that Nasser and Erdogan are far right .And Ceaucescu .
                      The Iron Guard was anti Jewish which it does not make far right, unless you will say that Corbyn is far right .
                      Nasser was originally a member of the Arab National Socialist Party of Egypt (it later became the Ba'ath Party) in the late 30s. This was supported by Berlin
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                        Nasser was originally a member of the Arab National Socialist Party of Egypt (it later became the Ba'ath Party) in the late 30s. This was supported by Berlin
                        No sht? Well, that sure explains Nasser's security service's . . . . interrogation methods.
                        Last edited by slick_miester; 19 Mar 19, 12:04.
                        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                        • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                          Nasser was originally a member of the Arab National Socialist Party of Egypt (it later became the Ba'ath Party) in the late 30s. This was supported by Berlin
                          And Franco was al;so supported by Hitler and later by the US : that makes Franco not a far right winger or a supporter of American liberal democracy .. In 1941 Hitler supported the conservative general Antonescu against the Iron Guard .
                          The founder of the Baath Party ,Aflaq, was a member of the communist party .
                          The principles of the Baath Party were
                          nationalism
                          pan Arabism
                          Arab socialism (which is not communism )
                          social progress
                          secular ideology (but this does not mean hostility to the Islam )
                          antisemitism ( but this was common to all Arabs )

                          Nothing indicates, proves that the Baat Party were Arab nazis, or Arab communists, or far right,or far left .
                          Far Right and Far left have no place in the Arab world ; they are European classifications from the 19th century and they should also not be used in the USA .
                          And even in Britain,it is very questionable to use them : Mosley had been a conservative (son -in-law of Curzon ) , became a rebel socialist and ended as a Fascist/Nazi : was he far left, left, right, far right ?
                          His anti semitism does not classify him as far right, unless one would classify Corbyn and Ocasio Cortez as far right .Or the ayatolla from Tehran, or Maduro ..

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                          • Why don't those that claim all these "far Right" political groups are such show the reasons they should be put there and not on the Left. Nationalism and racism won't cut the mustard for that.

                            After all, the far Right is generally defined as very independent, anti-government, opposed to Socialism, anti-tax, and pro gun.

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                            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Why don't those that claim all these "far Right" political groups are such show the reasons they should be put there and not on the Left. Nationalism and racism won't cut the mustard for that.

                              After all, the far Right is generally defined as very independent, anti-government, opposed to Socialism, anti-tax, and pro gun.
                              Overzealous nationalism is the reason they were all far right the far left hates nationalism and culture which they try to destroy to make their socialism work,socialism in the Nazis name was only a ploy to attract more members from the left who they purged later on.
                              American libertarianism isn’t the only example of the far right.

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                              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                                Why don't those that claim all these "far Right" political groups are such show the reasons they should be put there and not on the Left. Nationalism and racism won't cut the mustard for that.

                                After all, the far Right is generally defined as very independent, anti-government, opposed to Socialism, anti-tax, and pro gun.


                                I think part of the problem is that he left and the media (but I repeat myself) refuses to acknowledge the "far left" exists.
                                Consider how often you hear the phrase "far right" to describe an individual or group.

                                Curiously, you never hear the phrase "far left" or "alt-left" or anything like that.
                                We are supposed to believe that extremism is a coin with only one side.
                                Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                                Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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