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  • #76
    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    Liberal 240+ years ago in our Nation's founding was opposite of what it is now. Back then it was "government leave us alone" now it's "government is solution to all problems".
    That's just modern day Americanism.

    Terror problem? More government with patriot act.
    Trade problem? More government with tariffs. You want American companies to compete and succeed, get government out of the way. Lower their cost of doing business and see what happens. As opposed to placing a huge burden on certain companies and industries.
    Media problem? More government, almost half of republicans want to give Trump the power to control the media.
    Big business problem? More government, republicans are constantly calling for Google and other tech giants to be broken apart. Instead, the people should be the ones to decide their fate. Don't like Google, use DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc plenty of options out there that are extremely accessible and good.
    Don't agree with abortions? Call on government to ban it.
    Don't agree with same sex marriage? Call on government to ban it.
    Don't agree with marijuana? Call on government to ban it. What's wrong with letting people make their own decisions and set their own values, for better or worse...
    Balanced budget? Nope
    Shrink size of government? Nope


    Could go on, but yeah I fail to see the difference. Seems everyone is quick to call on government to solve everything for them. The more government we have, the less free we are regardless of the reasoning or who's at the helm.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

      John Wilkes Booth,Lee Harvey Oswald,Lee Marvin,Oliver Stone,Al Gore,John Kerry...
      Leave Oliver Stone and Lee Marvin out of that!
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Massena View Post

        As the US Founding Fathers were the liberals of their day, once again you have proven yourself clueless.
        The FF were nationalists, today's liberals are anti nationalists,who want to deprive the US and other nations from their independence and sovereignty and want to make them subordinate to an international world government of mostly non American bankers and billionaires ; their chief, Soros, wants to abolish the US and all other states : a state can not exist without border and Soros wants to abolish all borders .
        The members of theTrilateral commission claim that they are better suited than the Deplorables to rule the US and that they should rule the world .
        Last edited by ljadw; 26 Feb 19, 01:47.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Nationalism was one of the causes of War I and is not the same thing as patriotism. To equate the two is not to understand the historical problems of nationalism or being a nationalist.
          Nationalism was a cause of WWI but that is also irrelevant when it comes to the breed of nationalism today which is vastly different.

          German nationalism was built on Germany gaining what they determined to be their rightful place at the empire club via conquest and presenting a challenge to British naval supremacy. Serbian nationalism involved kicking the Austrians out. British nationalism involved maintaining their position as European arbiter and cop. All European nationalists were rooted in imperialism.

          ​​​​​​Modern American nationalism is just steering our politicians toward advocating American interests and squeezing trade deals that are detrimental to us.

          Anybody who tries to paint nationalism as one specific thing demonstrates a lack of sophisticated understanding as to the mosaic of different nationalist thought processes. Most who think nationalists are racist are simply projecting their biases. They're also engaging in a humorous level of accidental prejudice. (To say American nationalism is racist is to say people of color aren't Americans. Think about it.)

          In short, yes nationalism caused WWI but that's an irrelevant point. We're living in 2019, not 1914. Different political dynamics are in play. It is impossible to say that nationalism has historical problems because nationalism is too varied to be quantified as universally bad. That's like saying all pants have historical problems because bell bottoms existed. Yeah bell bottoms were stupid but I'm still wearing jeans.
          Last edited by Pirateship1982; 26 Feb 19, 03:45.
          A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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          • #80
            A patriot is a nationalist and a nationalist is a patriot .Who is not a nationalist is not a patriot .

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            • #81
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              That's just modern day Americanism.

              Terror problem? More government with patriot act.
              Trade problem? More government with tariffs. You want American companies to compete and succeed, get government out of the way. Lower their cost of doing business and see what happens. As opposed to placing a huge burden on certain companies and industries.
              Media problem? More government, almost half of republicans want to give Trump the power to control the media.
              Big business problem? More government, republicans are constantly calling for Google and other tech giants to be broken apart. Instead, the people should be the ones to decide their fate. Don't like Google, use DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc plenty of options out there that are extremely accessible and good.
              Don't agree with abortions? Call on government to ban it.
              Don't agree with same sex marriage? Call on government to ban it.
              Don't agree with marijuana? Call on government to ban it. What's wrong with letting people make their own decisions and set their own values, for better or worse...
              Balanced budget? Nope
              Shrink size of government? Nope


              Could go on, but yeah I fail to see the difference. Seems everyone is quick to call on government to solve everything for them. The more government we have, the less free we are regardless of the reasoning or who's at the helm.
              Lower their costs of doing business ? hOW ? bY CUTTING THE WAGES ?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                Leave Oliver Stone and Lee Marvin out of that!
                Why?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

                  Why?
                  Lee Marvin wasn't a liberal. I confused Oliver Stone with Oliver North.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                    Lee Marvin wasn't a liberal. I confused Oliver Stone with Oliver North.
                    Lee Marvin was a Democrat and protested every war that America was involved in.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                      Lee Marvin wasn't a liberal. I confused Oliver Stone with Oliver North.
                      And Oliver North is a pissant. He disgraced the Marine Corps with his testimony in front of Congress.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                        Lower their costs of doing business ? hOW ? bY CUTTING THE WAGES ?
                        By significantly cutting corporate taxes. By repealing obamacare. By getting government out of the way.
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

                          Lee Marvin was a Democrat and protested every war that America was involved in.
                          He served in combat in WW2; he spoke out Vietnam, but not Korea.

                          I don't see where he protested anywhere.

                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                            He served in combat in WW2; he spoke out Vietnam, but not Korea.

                            I don't see where he protested anywhere.
                            I bet he protested that palimony verdict.
                            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              By significantly cutting corporate taxes. By repealing obamacare. By getting government out of the way.
                              You would be the first to protest if Trump was cutting corporate taxes: you would say that the GOP was the party of the rich .
                              Trump wanted to repeal obamacare , but he was blocked by the Democrats and the RINOs.It was McCain who saved Obamacare .
                              Trump wants to get government out of the way, but Deep State who dominates the swamp ,is blocking him .

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                                By significantly cutting corporate taxes. By repealing obamacare. By getting government out of the way.
                                $ 40 billion of your taxpayer's money is wasted by USAID : if you want to change something, vote for someone who will help to abolish USAID and to give this money to its owners : the American people .

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