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  • #31
    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    In 1790, out of a total population of 5.2 million, the US counted over 600,000 slaves. They worked not only on plantations, they constructed harbor defenses, they dug canals, they built most of Washington DC. Slaves were an integral part of the development of the United States from her very founding. To diminish their contributions, in basic terms, is essentially to lie about our past. To dismiss out of hand their descendants' interests today is to perpetuate injustice.

    And just to put it in historical context, there was a time in this country when Irish were not viewed as "white."



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    You are conflating religious and racialist prejudice, both pernicious. Irish were perceived as Roman Catholic whilst Scots were assumed to be Protestant Both assumptions ignorant and inaccurate.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
      What part of “most” Blacks can’t you understand?
      Some 125,000 African-Americans served overseas during WW2. According to you, they were at best outliers -- at worst Uncle Tom's.

      Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
      And what Blacks wouldn’t want to fight the South during the civil war?
      Are you saying that their service was neither patriotic or relevent on account of the fact that it served their own interests, as well as the US'? Then what would you make of blacks' service during WW1 and WW2 -- when Jim Crow was in full swing? Coming home to "Klan-bakes" didn't exactly serve blacks' interests.

      Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
      Japanese Canadians didn’t get much compensation if any I heard it was the same in the US.
      $20,000 buck a head in 1988 dollars. That's what they got -- after years of bitching and lobbying and suing: three things you claimed that Japanese-Americans didn't do.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post

        ...but, I didn't say ''white'' nationalist, merely 'nationalist'. In an earlier post Mr. Massena referred to President Trump styling himself a "nationalist". The adjective 'white' was not used in that case.
        If the allegations are true it's plainly obvious that he's both a white nationalist and supremacist.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #34
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

          How many "auto jobs" were available in the years immediately following the Civil War -- considering that the first automobile assembly line started production in 1902: thirty-seven years after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox.
          No problem my friend, you got totally owned.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

            No problem my friend, you got totally owned.
            What on God's green earth are you babbling about? Can you, at the very least, make your inane ramblings historically accurate?
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #36
              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

              Here's where it gets confusing. If one is an "American nationalist," then shouldn't one advocate for all of the US' peoples -- whether their ancestors hailed from European backgrounds, African backgrounds, Latin American backgrounds, et al? If a "white nationalist" tailors his rhetoric to appeal to Caucasian Americans only, then he's ignoring a fair share of the nation's population. So how can a "white nationalist" be an American nationalist?

              And yes, I do believe that Donald Trump has tailored his rhetoric to appeal to whites by denigrating non-whites.



              And a pretty ugly segment of the electorate seems to enjoy that kind of rhetoric, and they don't feel shy about adding to it.



              That's neither American nationalistic nor patriotic.
              Trump's not referring to race. If it were the Canadians overrunning our border, selling drugs, raping, and murdering, he would say the same thing about them.

              And that video is misleading; Trump isn't supporting anything; he's just standing there.
              "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

              "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                No problem my friend, you got totally owned.
                You sure miss this one by more than a mile..

                Your post of blacks working for Ford after the Civil War is about as accurate as saying WWI happened after the Civil War.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                  You sure miss this one by more than a mile..

                  Your post of blacks working for Ford after the Civil War is about as accurate as saying WWI happened after the Civil War.
                  WW2 happened after the Civil War. Vietnam happened after the Civil War. Silicon Valley happened after the Civil War. We're having this conversation after the Civil War....
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                    You are conflating religious and racialist prejudice, both pernicious. Irish were perceived as Roman Catholic whilst Scots were assumed to be Protestant Both assumptions ignorant and inaccurate.
                    The Irish were disliked for both their Roman Catholicism and their foreignness. Scots were disliked for their Britishness, "Anglophobia" still being the prevailing sentiment until the close of the 19th century. If this makes no sense to you, then don't blame me. I'm sure that after observing the Little Englander crowd you've learned full well that bigotry doesn't have to make sense to be popular....
                    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                      WW2 happened after the Civil War. Vietnam happened after the Civil War. Silicon Valley happened after the Civil War. We're having this conversation after the Civil War....
                      That's a BIG NO SSSSHIT
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                        That's a BIG NO SSSSHIT
                        Did you know that Henry Ford opened River Rouge some time after Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown, so that thousands of Continental veterans were able to build Model Ts by the millions.?

                        Reading Jack's posts is like watching a Mike Judge flick.

                        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                          Did you know that Henry Ford opened River Rouge some time after Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown, so that thousands of Continental veterans were able to build Model Ts by the millions.?

                          Reading Jack's posts is like watching a Mike Judge flick.

                          ]
                          All the lad is doing is following Ford's dictum “history is more or less bunk.” Still it adds to the gaiety of nations

                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                            You sure miss this one by more than a mile..

                            Your post of blacks working for Ford after the Civil War is about as accurate as saying WWI happened after the Civil War.
                            Your full of it my friend and just as wrong as slick. You both got owned. Good jobs did come to Americans after , key word after the civil war. Yes, there were not perhaps as many steel and auto jobs(there were some so please sit down you got owned) before or during the civil war compared to after. You both just dont like my postings, and are trying to use some sort of technical argument, but in this sense you lose badly, technically, after the US civil war we did eventually get good jobs including in Steel and Auto.


                            Point was proven, all Americans had great success because of Steel and Auto. Ford employed black folks, Jews, and other minorities before the Rise of MLK Jr. That is American greatness for you.
                            Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 24 Feb 19, 13:38.
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                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #44
                              Industry took hold in the Americas and England in the 18th and 19th century..This involved Steel work and the early type automobiles coming out in the late 18th and early 19th century. There were prominent blacks even in the time of slavery in the USA involved in numerous industries that were influential and wealthy. And fwiw it was only black people that were enslaved in the USA, not whites of any background. To compare the plight of any non black Americans to African Americans in the slave era is wrong. How Slick tries to make it out as if German, Italian and Irish Americans ever had it bad is wrong. If anything, it was Japanese Americans that come the closet to the plight of African Americans in the USA...and that was during WW2 when the Japanese Empire was engaging in its own controversial behavior.

                              After the US civil war...black folks became more involved and later on as mentioned The UAW and other Unions saw black membership in the 1940s before the rise of MLK Jr. Because of Ford and other Auto and Steel companies in the USA, huge amounts of black and white folks in the USA were able to lead dignigfied lives, better then what we see today in the USA, our country has work to do.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                                Industry took hold in the Americas and England in the 18th and 19th century..This involved Steel work and the early type automobiles coming out in the late 18th and early 19th century. There were prominent blacks even in the time of slavery in the USA involved in numerous industries that were influential and wealthy. And fwiw it was only black people that were enslaved in the USA, not whites of any background.
                                Ford makes the Lincoln Town Car, Navigator, Continental, MKX, MKZ, etc. but before Lincoln was president, Ford came out with the Washington Continental, Valley Forge, Dorchester Heights and Conestoga SUV. Those were the automobiles that Ford made in the 18th century. The early 19th century had Ford coming out with the Andrew Jacksonmobile that was very popular in the New Orleans area. Of course by this time the Irish slavery of the First Period colonists along with the indentured servitude of many lower class Britons had ceased to exist in many parts of the fledgling United States except Boston where "No Irish Need Apply" still persisted into the 20th century.
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