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  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    I agree, but I would add that as an American I will put the interests of America ahead of those of other nations.
    If they are legitimate interest and not messing in the interanl affairs of others.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

      Are you sure your not mixing that up with Patriot? Like you I love my country but can admit it isn't perfect.
      Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation,[1] especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty).[1][3] It further aims to build and maintain a single national identity—based on shared social characteristics such as culture, language, religion, politics, and belief in a shared singular history[4][5][page needed]—and to promote national unity or solidarity.[1] Nationalism, therefore, seeks to preserve and foster a nation's traditional culture, and cultural revivals have been associated with nationalist movements.[6] It also encourages pride in national achievements, and is closely linked to patriotism.[7][page needed] Nationalism is often combined with other ideologies, such as conservatism (national conservatism) or socialism (socialist nationalism) for example
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
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      Patriotism or national pride is the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment. This attachment can be a combination of many different feelings relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to, but mutually exclusive from those of nationalism.[1][2][3]

      Some manifestations of patriotism emphasise the "land" element in love for one's native land and use the symbolism of agriculture and the soil[4][5] – compare Blut und Boden.
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      An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism; another related term is jingoism.

      The English term patriot is first attested in the Elizabethan era; it came via Middle French from Late Latin (6th century) patriota, meaning "countryman", ultimately from Greek, Modern πατριώτης (patriōtēs), meaning 'from the same country', from πατρίς (patris), meaning 'fatherland'.[6] The abstract noun patriotism appears in the early 18th century
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

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      • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

        If they are legitimate interest and not messing in the interanl affairs of others.
        One man's interest is another man's interference . . . .

        I know that that sounds trite, and to be honest, it is. It can't be denied, however, that Homo sapiens does have a tendency to pursue their interests with all the savagery of moral imperative. Most people firmly believe that "if it's good for me, then it's an absolute good -- and if it's an absolute good, then I'm entitled to pursue it, and pursue it fully." It's pretty scary when you think about it.
        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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        • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          In 1933 ,one of the leaders and ideologues of the Iron Guard/Legion Vassile Marin said that political concepts as right, left and extremism had died in Romania and in Europe .They had been replaced by a '' totalitarian view of the natinal life ''which was common for Fascism.Nazism and the Legion .
          Marin said later even that the Legion was an expression of the Left, not of the Far Right .
          When did he say that?
          What he probably said was "we are neither left-wing nor right-wing".


          Marin and the Legion were against the entire spectrum of the democratic political establishment and its ideologies, which they despised, wanted to distance themselves from it and destroy it.
          Also their movement could not remain indifferent to the Romanian workers' problems/demands since they considered them part of the nation. But this interest in the workers' well-being didn't stem from leftist ideology. And it was also a strategy to make the workers less susceptible to leftist propaganda.

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          • Nationalism, to the right today involves the preservation of their desired culture and society. Which for them means a culture free of influence from (probably most specifically) Muslims and diversity in general. For instance, one quote you'll hear often from American nationalists is, "diversity makes us weak". Who is "us" and why is there such immediate and blanket condemnation of non-whites? They are not referring to country when they say 'us'. So this immediately highlights where their concern and allegiance stands.

            Imagine the outrage from said hypocrites if blacks were to state that more whites make 'us' weaker. But, this is a comment that they can get away with due to the privilege of being the majority.

            Further, you must bear in mind that country to them means maintaining the white power structure. To them, America is no longer America without whites as the majority. They view America as a white country, for whites while all other citizens are mere guests in "their land". This is an indisputable position that they hold. A position put on public display when nationalist and republican (redundant) Steve King made his comments about whose babies are needed. These are people who are explicitly biased towards the white race.

            In short, one cannot be an American nationalist without holding views that are adverse towards minorities.

            Hence the importance in making a distinction between nationalists and patriots.
            Last edited by TactiKill J.; 02 Apr 19, 16:15.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              Nationalism, to the right today involves the preservation of their desired culture and society. Which for them means a culture free of influence from (probably most specifically) Muslims and diversity in general. For instance, one quote you'll hear often from American nationalists is, "diversity makes us weak". Who is "us" and why is there such immediate and blanket condemnation of non-whites? They are not referring to country when they say 'us'. So this immediately highlights where their concern and allegiance stands.

              Further, you must bear in mind that country to them means maintaining the white power structure. To them, America is no longer America without whites as the majority. They view America as a white country, for whites while all other citizens are mere guests in "their land". This is an indisputable position that they hold. A position put on public display when nationalist and republican (redundant) Steve King made his comments about whose babies are needed. These are people who are explicitly biased towards the white race.

              In short, one cannot be an American nationalist without holding views that are adverse towards minorities.
              That is only one bunch on the Right. The far Right also envelopes the Sovereign Citizen movement (very individualistic), various separatist anarchist movements (individuals), some militia movements (small groups loosely organized and includes survivalists), along with various small groups of neo-Nazis. The whole is poorly organized, often at odds with one and other.

              As for diversity, it can be divisive. A nation to be a nation, and coherent society, needs a shared language, cultural and societal norms, and some shared basic expectations. Without those you end up with the biblical / proverbial Tower of Babel. Multiculturalism is divisive. It argues in essence culture doesn't matter because all cultures are the same and equal, simply pick one.

              An American nationalist can easily accommodate minorities. What an American nationalist can't accommodate is someone who expects to live in America, as an American citizen, and not speak a common language, not share common cultural and social values, and basically want to be a citizen but not in any substantial or meaningful way.
              For example, an American nationalist doesn't have an issue with someone who is a Muslim. They would have an issue with a Muslim that insisted on being able to follow Shira Law in totality. Or, someone who speaks some foreign language and expects to be accommodated in every way even as virtually no one understands them. Or, minorities that come or live in America to group into and build "separate but equal" communities because they wish to remain unintegrated into American society.

              So, your whole premise is just wrong. It shows a narrow-minded bias against Whites as well.

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              • Nationalism involves racial tribalism, because again preservation of culture (race in their eyes) is at the heart of nationalism. They do not want non-whites integrating, this and everything else I've said is based on the comments from self-proclaimed nationalists.

                I'm simply repeating what nationalists have said.
                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                - Benjamin Franklin

                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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