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  • New AI Can Create False News From Keywords

    Reported by Bloomberg News:

    OpenAI, co-founded by billionaire Elon Musk, can create an entire fake news article from a handful of key words, including quotes from government officials.

    We should all want to know what purpose this will serve, and who - besides the Dunmmycratic Party - will be using it.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Reported by Bloomberg News:

    OpenAI, co-founded by billionaire Elon Musk, can create an entire fake news article from a handful of key words, including quotes from government officials.

    We should all want to know what purpose this will serve, and who - besides the Dunmmycratic Party - will be using it.
    Does that mean CNN will be replaced and we won't even notice the difference...?

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    • #3
      This essentially is a far more advanced platform than what the Russians used to spread fake news during the election cycle to prop up Trump.

      Since you don't know much about tech I should probably fill you in on a few important things.

      Elon Musk has actually spoken out against Google's use/development of AI, in roundabout ways, based on what Google is capable of doing with their AI. The amount of data that Google has available to them and their global reach is absolutely unrivaled by anyone else in the world. That amount of data and tech being misused can absolutely be detrimental for society as a whole.

      Elon Musk is also in favor and has strongly encouraged the government to start regulating AI. Whether or not the government overseeing such powerful technology is a good or bad thing is open to interpretation. But, again it is worth noting that Elon wants to be regulated.

      Most importantly, Elon said that their fake news generator is not going public. He has done everything he can to educate politicians and the general public on the dangers of AI. This was just another example of him doing that.

      Despite the biases you have against him because he shares a different opinion than you on climate change, he is still not your enemy.
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #4
        It’s been a rough weekend for Elon Musk, and it’s not letting up: the Tesla CEO came under sudden and harsh scrutiny Saturday for political contributions to conservative politicians and campaign groups. Detractors, primarily on Twitter, say the donations contradict Musk’s purportedly pro-environment and socially progressive image, while illustrating deeper problems with the role of money in politics.
        http://fortune.com/2018/07/15/elon-m...s-controversy/

        Again just to highlight the incredibly rudimentary and simplistic mind of most republicans. If you disagree with them on a single issue that automatically makes you a liberal. All of your other conservative views be damned, you're either 100% partisan or you're out.

        I suppose the same could be said for democrats, but what I've noticed is that republicans often base their judgement on things that have little to do with politics, like race and religion for example.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #5
          Well, they're already laying off reporters by the carload; looks like automation may accelerate the process.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #6
            In regards to Elon Musk and republicans wanting government to regulate everything. Passing power from companies to the government is not the answer. Republicans need to stop being so quick to turn to government for solutions and instead look within themselves. The answer is a self reliant and educated populace. If we do not agree with how certain companies are operating or how they're using AI, simply do not support them and their influence will diminish to 0. Google does not have a monopoly, no one has to use Google search.

            But, to give government access to that type of data and technology will present a scenario that not even George Orwell could imagine. Government managing or overseeing very advanced AI is a risky proposition.

            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #7
              Artificial "Intelligence" making up news. Yeah, no good can come from this thing. The non-intelligent dummies at CNN, MSN, etc, and their fanois here on this forum already do enough of that.
              The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Reported by Bloomberg News:

                OpenAI, co-founded by billionaire Elon Musk, can create an entire fake news article from a handful of key words, including quotes from government officials.

                We should all want to know what purpose this will serve, and who - besides the Dunmmycratic Party - will be using it.
                So now Musk (re-)invented the Turing Test?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                  This essentially is a far more advanced platform than what the Russians used to spread fake news during the election cycle to prop up Trump.

                  Since you don't know much about tech I should probably fill you in on a few important things.

                  Elon Musk has actually spoken out against Google's use/development of AI, in roundabout ways, based on what Google is capable of doing with their AI. The amount of data that Google has available to them and their global reach is absolutely unrivaled by anyone else in the world. That amount of data and tech being misused can absolutely be detrimental for society as a whole.

                  Elon Musk is also in favor and has strongly encouraged the government to start regulating AI. Whether or not the government overseeing such powerful technology is a good or bad thing is open to interpretation. But, again it is worth noting that Elon wants to be regulated.

                  Most importantly, Elon said that their fake news generator is not going public. He has done everything he can to educate politicians and the general public on the dangers of AI. This was just another example of him doing that.

                  Despite the biases you have against him because he shares a different opinion than you on climate change, he is still not your enemy.


                  Technology like this always ends up in public hands. Musk is a fool if he thinks otherwise.

                  But you're missing the point - there can be only one reason for this technology to be developed in the first place: propaganda, lies and deception. And only one entity wants that capability: government.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                    Artificial "Intelligence" making up news. Yeah, no good can come from this thing. The non-intelligent dummies at CNN, MSN, etc, and their fanois here on this forum already do enough of that.
                    No...AI designed from the very beginning to create false news. There is a huge world of difference, starting with who needs such a capability and why.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                      So now Musk (re-)invented the Turing Test?
                      No. That requires that you speak to or interact directly with the AI. You will merely be reading this without any way of knowing the origin.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Looks like AI is catching up with Natural Ignorance
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                          So now Musk (re-)invented the Turing Test?
                          Red herring. Turing test is irrelevant all it does is tell you the point at which you cannot tell if you are talking to a machine or a human. Despite popular misconceptions it cannot tell you if a machine is sentient or not, just that it is now impossible to tell so you don't know if it's ethical to switch it off or not. Turing's view was to be on the safe side don't flick that switch. Back in the late 60s when I first got into computers (and there were still some valve based 1st generation machines about about - I worked with one) I was trained by a beginning to be grizzled veteran who had worked with Turing on the Electronic ACE in Manchester University whose opinion of Turing was that he was a brilliant mathematician and theorist but lacking in the skills for the practical application of those theories in the real world and needed an implementation team with a grounding in reality.

                          Does it really matter if it's a human lying to you or an inanimate automaton generating lies? They are still lies.
                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #14

                            Our model, called GPT-2 (a successor to GPT), was trained simply to predict the next word in 40GB of Internet text. Due to our concerns about malicious applications of the technology, we are not releasing the trained model. As an experiment in responsible disclosure, we are instead releasing a much smaller model for researchers to experiment with, as well as a technical paper.

                            GPT-2 is a large transformer-based language model with 1.5 billion parameters, trained on a dataset[1] of 8 million web pages. GPT-2 is trained with a simple objective: predict the next word, given all of the previous words within some text. The diversity of the dataset causes this simple goal to contain naturally occurring demonstrations of many tasks across diverse domains. GPT-2 is a direct scale-up of GPT, with more than 10X the parameters and trained on more than 10X the amount of data.

                            GPT-2 displays a broad set of capabilities, including the ability to generate conditional synthetic text samples of unprecedented quality, where we prime the model with an input and have it generate a lengthy continuation. In addition, GPT-2 outperforms other language models trained on specific domains (like Wikipedia, news, or books) without needing to use these domain-specific training datasets. On language tasks like question answering, reading comprehension, summarization, and translation, GPT-2 begins to learn these tasks from the raw text, using no task-specific training data. While scores on these downstream tasks are far from state-of-the-art, they suggest that the tasks can benefit from unsupervised techniques, given sufficient (unlabeled) data and compute.

                            https://blog.openai.com/better-language-models/

                            Here's how it works....


                            Here’'s an example: The AI system was given this human-generated text prompt:

                            “In a shocking finding, scientist discovered a herd of unicorns living in a remote, previously unexplored valley, in the Andes Mountains. Even more surprising to the researchers was the fact that the unicorns spoke perfect English.”

                            From that, the AI system — after 10 tries — continued the “story,” beginning with this AI-generated text:

                            “The scientist named the population, after their distinctive horn, Ovid’s Unicorn. These four-horned, silver-white unicorns were previously unknown to science. Now, after almost two centuries, the mystery of what sparked this odd phenomenon is finally solved.”
                            "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                            "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                              Red herring. Turing test is irrelevant all it does is tell you the point at which you cannot tell if you are talking to a machine or a human. Despite popular misconceptions it cannot tell you if a machine is sentient or not, just that it is now impossible to tell so you don't know if it's ethical to switch it off or not. Turing's view was to be on the safe side don't flick that switch. Back in the late 60s when I first got into computers (and there were still some valve based 1st generation machines about about - I worked with one) I was trained by a beginning to be grizzled veteran who had worked with Turing on the Electronic ACE in Manchester University whose opinion of Turing was that he was a brilliant mathematician and theorist but lacking in the skills for the practical application of those theories in the real world and needed an implementation team with a grounding in reality.

                              Does it really matter if it's a human lying to you or an inanimate automaton generating lies? They are still lies.
                              So why create a machine for the purpose? Instead, I would expect the creation of a AI that could detect and correct lies before they were put forth as "the truth".
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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