Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Gainfully Employed?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Gainfully Employed?

    This is nothing but political use of the armed forces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...cid=spartandhp
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    I find this funny... (in the op article)

    Overall, the number of people apprehended for crossing the border illegally has decreased dramatically from a multi-decade high nearly two decades ago. In the Yuma
    sector
    there were 26,244 apprehensions of migrants crossing illegally in the
    2018
    fiscal year, down from 108,747
    in 2000
    . Across the entire border with Mexico, apprehensions decreased to 396,579 from 1.6 million over the same time period.
    That's because the Yuma sector now has fencing and other crossing deterrents across almost the entirety of it. Yuma also became the first border sector to drop "Catch and Release" and incarcerate every crosser caught until tried and deported. During the Obama administration, the DoJ wanted the Yuma sector to return to catch and release.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...licy-illegals/

    That's why border crossings in that sector have fallen. The fences and barriers slow crossers and the word got out that you go to jail if caught. That brought the dramatic decrease in crossings and that's why illegals have moved to other sectors.

    My view is more fencing, walls, barriers, and a hardline catch and incarcerate until deported policy would dramatically reduce the number of crossings. The Yuma sector's success shows that. Catch and release is stupid... No, it's beyond stupid. It's a policy of imbeciles, but then I repeat myself when it comes to Democrats.

    Comment


    • #3
      The Yuma sector was having success before the fencing was built. And the illegal crossings have fallen dramatically before Trump came into office. In short, it's an invented crisis for political gain and not for the benefit of the country.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        The Yuma sector was having success before the fencing was built. And the illegal crossings have fallen dramatically before Trump came into office. In short, it's an invented crisis for political gain and not for the benefit of the country.
        No, it wasn't. I can remember quite well it was basically wide open and a massive crossing point prior being walled and dropping catch and release.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/586853001/

        Walling the Yuma sector started in the early 2000's under Bush II along with the "Catch and detain" policy.

        https://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/...s-yuma-arizona

        The Yuma sector pretty much conclusively has proven over years that walls and a policy of catch and detain will drive crossings down by as much as 90%. The "Virtual Wall" tried by Democrats was an absolute bust.

        https://www.zdnet.com/article/boeing...llion-failure/

        Obama and Democrats spent $30 billion (mostly going to Boeing) to build a "virtual wall" on the southern border. It was an unmitigated failure.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/u...s/15fence.html

        Crossings shifted to other parts of the border, such as the Tucson sector, and then into Texas because of the lack of border fencing and greater ease of avoiding CBP officers.

        Comment


        • #5
          Detain and shipped back within days.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

          Comment


          • #6
            When isn't the use of the military political?
            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              The Yuma sector was having success before the fencing was built. And the illegal crossings have fallen dramatically before Trump came into office. In short, it's an invented crisis for political gain and not for the benefit of the country.
              So you don't really believe that stemming the influx ( be it many or few) of illegals would not benefit the legitimate citizens and taxpayers of the United States?
              ARRRR! International Talk Like A Pirate Day - September 19th
              IN MARE IN COELO

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Jose50 View Post

                So you don't really believe that stemming the influx ( be it many or few) of illegals would not benefit the legitimate citizens and taxpayers of the United States?
                I most certainly do. That being said, the misuse of troops on the border, which appears to be a waste of time and money, as well as building a wall won't solve the problem.

                And the Republicans in the last two years did little or nothing to improve the situation, and despite Trump's false claims that new wall is being built, building a few hundred miles more won't help especially since most of the issues and problems are at the ports of entry, such as the flow of drugs.

                There is too much hyperbole and utter drivel on the subject coming out of the administration and the 'emergency declaration' is doing nothing but bypassing Congress and violating the Constitution.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  When isn't the use of the military political?
                  Exactly.

                  And it does the troops good to actually deploy off-post and do something, anything. But too many lifers wet themselves at the idea of anything that would keep them out of the NCO club at close of business.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    This is nothing but political use of the armed forces.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...cid=spartandhp
                    Didn't we see something similar("political use") when Pershing was chasing Pancho Villa ???

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                      When isn't the use of the military political?
                      If the armed forces are used for personal gain politically, which is what Trump is doing with his manufactured crisis, then it is morally and ethically wrong.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                        Didn't we see something similar("political use") when Pershing was chasing Pancho Villa ???
                        The government sent Pershing's force into Mexico because Villa raided into Texas and killed American citizens. Seems to me that situation is just a 'little' different.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post

                          The government sent Pershing's force into Mexico because Villa raided into Texas and killed American citizens. Seems to me that situation is just a 'little' different.
                          Well some would say that the flood of illegal aliens coming across our southern border is NOT a "little" different, rather very much the same only on a larger and less "organized" scale, other than the organized crime elements. We have killing of Americans by the illegals and they are plundering our treasury with the resources they take.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            The Trump propaganda line...well done falling in with lockstep with Trump and his exaggerations and lies.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                              Well some would say that the flood of illegal aliens coming across our southern border is NOT a "little" different, rather very much the same only on a larger and less "organized" scale, other than the organized crime elements. We have killing of Americans by the illegals and they are plundering our treasury with the resources they take.
                              We're not talking about Genghis Khan and the Mogol hordes here. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are just looking for a better life, they aren't coming to kill people and pillage the land. This is a problem that can be dealt with by civilian law enforcement (the US Border Patrol and CBP in this instance).

                              This is a complete waste of time for the military ... especially as most of the soldiers are doing little more than clearing brush, answering telephones, and stringing up barbed wire.

                              One last thing, guess who the border wall hurts most? Our servicemen and women and their families. It's base housing improvements and training center upgrades that will be put on hold (or canceled) to fund the wall.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X