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  • Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post


    Capitalism didn't make the jobs of the industrial revolution? Those factories weren't built by the state, you know. You either don't understand what capitalism is or you are laughably ignorant of history.
    People already had jobs before. As peasants, in manual production. Never heard of luddites ? Capitalism didn't created jobs, it just decreased a part of jobs and increased the other part.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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    • Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
      Comment from your link
      Leon Simmonds mitch911712 ē 10 days ago
      "And they also know that the rest of the people do not do well" - Untrue Democratic socialists countries have consistently high standards of living.
      In the next paragraph he silently switches to talking about pure put socialism, which no prominent Democrat is advocating for.
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

        The next thing heís going to claim is that the USSR was a pioneering green leader because citizens were required to use both sides of each toilet tissue.
        And they set aside the entire chernybl area as a nature preserve.
        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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        • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

          Comment from your link
          Leon Simmonds mitch911712 ē 10 days ago
          "And they also know that the rest of the people do not do well" - Untrue Democratic socialists countries have consistently high standards of living.
          In the next paragraph he silently switches to talking about pure put socialism, which no prominent Democrat is advocating for.
          Democratic socialists are Marxists, people as Sanders .

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          • Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

            The next thing heís going to claim is that the USSR was a pioneering green leader because citizens were required to use both sides of each toilet tissue.
            The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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            • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

              Reaction to famine IS part of the famine. People starved and died not because potatoes were lost. They died because they had no food. And they get no food because capitalist government didn't sent it.
              Even if food was sent,and food was sent: 87 % of the population survived, the majority of those who died,would die ,because there was no possibility to select those who needed /deserved food : people died because they were sick ,which was related to the famine : food only would not help them : they needed also medical treatment, but in 1845 medicine was that primitive that it was better not to consult a doctor and to become seriously ill, or even not seriously ill,resulted in a lot of cases/most cases in death .
              About the selection of those who would receive food : every one (8,5 million ) would clam that they were seriously ill and that they were starving : who would decide that Ryan would live and that O'Neill would die ?And why Ryan ,and not O'Neill? Or O'Connor ?
              The same problem happened in Ukraine, in Bengalen, in Ethiopia ,etc
              I ask you again : to which people should capitalist government send food and to which people capitalist government should not send food ? The same question for the communist government in 1932, for the government of India in 1943 , for Oxfam,etc in the 80s .
              It is very easy to say : the government should send food ,which means : the government should say : you receive food and you not : you must die .

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              • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                Biggest empire in the world cannot feed a couple of millions of people at a stone threw from home ? Ridiculous.
                Iím not big on British history, but capitalism isnít a factor here. In fact, socialist states let their people starve, like the USSR, and capitalist states like the USA support their people during national disasters. The British failure to support Ireland was for reasons other than capitalism. In fact, without capitalism the UK wouldnít have the resources it did.
                "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                • Emtos is very imprudent by claiming that the Irish famine was caused by the British capitalist government, because 90 years later,the Soviet communist government did not better in Ukraine .

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                  • Originally posted by American87 View Post

                    Iím not big on British history, but capitalism isnít a factor here. In fact, socialist states let their people starve, like the USSR, and capitalist states like the USA support their people during national disasters. The British failure to support Ireland was for reasons other than capitalism. In fact, without capitalism the UK wouldnít have the resources it did.
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                    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                    • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                      Even if food was sent,and food was sent: 87 % of the population survived, the majority of those who died,would die ,because there was no possibility to select those who needed /deserved food : people died because they were sick ,which was related to the famine : food only would not help them : they needed also medical treatment, but in 1845 medicine was that primitive that it was better not to consult a doctor and to become seriously ill, or even not seriously ill,resulted in a lot of cases/most cases in death .
                      About the selection of those who would receive food : every one (8,5 million ) would clam that they were seriously ill and that they were starving : who would decide that Ryan would live and that O'Neill would die ?And why Ryan ,and not O'Neill? Or O'Connor ?
                      The same problem happened in Ukraine, in Bengalen, in Ethiopia ,etc
                      I ask you again : to which people should capitalist government send food and to which people capitalist government should not send food ? The same question for the communist government in 1932, for the government of India in 1943 , for Oxfam,etc in the 80s .
                      It is very easy to say : the government should send food ,which means : the government should say : you receive food and you not : you must die .
                      To people who're starving. It's not hard to tell by simple appearance who is starving and who is not. Nor is it hard to simply look ask the local authorities about the situation in their area. It was never a problem to see the difference between those who're starving and those who aren't.
                      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                      • Don't be absurd
                        Last edited by Half Pint John; 13 Feb 19, 05:49.
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          Don't be absurder
                          Thats all heíís got
                          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                          • Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
                            It was indifference to the Irish by the British that prevented them from giving aid to the Irish starving to death then it was capitalism that killed the Irish.
                            It wasn't "indifference to the Irish" per se that prevented food aid being supplied to the areas afflicted by the potato blight. Had another part of the British Isles been in a similar position the result would have been exactly the same.

                            It was all part of the rampant capitalism doctrine that prevailed at the time. Relief measures were effectively stimied by the Corn Laws. Still, Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel was convinced that stavation could only be eventually averted only by freeing grain imports into Ireland and, by pushing the doctrine of Free Trade, to provide relief he destroyed his party.
                            "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                            Samuel Johnson.

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                            • Capitalism creates an abundance of resources. The UK had the means, but they didnít provide relief to the Irish. Thatís policy, not economics. Socialist/Communist states donít have the same means to provide relief, even if they wanted to.
                              "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                              "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                              • Watch and learn

                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kOomUpEdLE4
                                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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