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  • #16
    That's probably an accurate statement since I taught middle school for twenty years...
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      That's probably an accurate statement since I taught middle school for twenty years...
      I’m glad you finally figured out I was teasing you.
      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        That's probably an accurate statement since I taught middle school for twenty years...
        Those who can't do . . . .

        Rimshot

        Sorry Mass, but you left that one hanging.
        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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        • #19
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

          Those who can't do . . . .

          Rimshot

          Sorry Mass, but you left that one hanging.
          And where would you or anyone else be if it weren't for teachers?

          Interestingly, I was one of fifteen retired Marines teaching at my school. We already 'did.'
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            And where would you or anyone else be if it weren't for teachers?
            Did I ever tell you about my freshman physics teacher -- the editor of the NAMBLA newsletter? That aside, modern education is like so many of the Suck's "qualifications" these days: a certificate that proclaims that one is qualified to perform such-and-such chore, or operate such-and-such device -- but actual mastery remains pointedly unaddressed. I don't know about you, but I don't need a PowerPoint slide show to know that I shouldn't sexually harass my shipmates. You know as well as I that modern education is a pencil-pushing exercise in bureaucratic a$$-covering. I watched my step-father grind his way through that Kafkaesque acid trip for thirty years. Suffice to say, he hasn't waxed too nostalgic since retirement.

            The previous rant was inspired by this morning's tale of yet another educator -- this one an athletic director at a girls high school -- who had to very suddenly "take a leave of absence."

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Interestingly, I was one of fifteen retired Marines teaching at my school. We already 'did.'
            I know retired Marines who are now physicians, attorneys, financiers, artists, etc, etc. Laughed my tuchus off at the flyboys myself, but I did take their commercial to heart: Aim High.



            You're not one of those true believers, are you, in the efficacy of the system? Got me a cousin who was court librarian at the Bronx Family Court: the place ran like Dante's 36th ring of hell -- but she never lost her faith in the system. A greater delusion I cannot fathom.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #21
              I lost track of how the quality of public education is related to the Covington legal case but there is little doubt that the liberal establishment would like to see the indoctrination centers we once called public schools replace private education. This is why the Covington kids are guilty regardless of what they did at the March for Life. They represent everything the neo Marxists hate, family values, economic independence, respect for Western Civilization, a rejection of hedonism, healthy male competition, meaning thru service, equal opportunity, and liberal democracy.
              We hunt the hunters

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              • #22
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post


                You're not one of those true believers, are you, in the efficacy of the system? Got me a cousin who was court librarian at the Bronx Family Court: the place ran like Dante's 36th ring of hell -- but she never lost her faith in the system. A greater delusion I cannot fathom.



                I know this issue is a bit off topic, but I will comment.
                When I started in the 1980s (pre computers) the rule of thumb in the Chicago court system was to make sure that your firm gave the clerks Christmas presents that happened to be in cash. If you didn't give enough, you found that your cases would disappear or that your case wouldn't reappear on the call for 6-9 months.
                As a result, we made sure to give adequate "Christmas Presents".
                Judges also got "Christmas presents".
                My first firm would typically give booze and steaks.
                Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                  I lost track of how the quality of public education is related to the Covington legal case but there is little doubt that the liberal establishment would like to see the indoctrination centers we once called public schools replace private education. This is why the Covington kids are guilty regardless of what they did at the March for Life. They represent everything the neo Marxists hate, family values, economic independence, respect for Western Civilization, a rejection of hedonism, healthy male competition, meaning thru service, equal opportunity, and liberal democracy.


                  We're shopping high schools with my son currently. All the private high schools 'round here, which are predominantly Roman Catholic, are courting him like a prom date 'cause he plays hockey. It's frankly a little disgusting. One had the temerity to talk about -- via PowerPoint how their program instills character, and two minutes later they were showing female students scantily clad and shaking their little a$$es. Even my wife -- herself the product of a Roman Catholic high school and university education -- was a little embarrassed.

                  The fact is is that there's not an institution in this land -- public schools, private schools, political parties, joint stock corporations, courts, religions, armies, the Boy Scouts, police departments, Federal agencies, Major League Baseball -- whose prime directive isn't to perpetuate itself, and any news, no matter how mundane, that could conceivably threaten the institution's standing in the community is to be squashed, and the messengers proscribed with extreme prejudice. The congregants served by a religion, the investors served by a brokerage, the depositors served by a bank, the students served by a school -- the citizens served by a government -- are mere vehicles to the enhancement of the institutions' prestige, and their leaders' powers. You only count inasmuch as you can serve their interests. Never, ever forget that. You're a draft animal, nothing more. And that's why I constitutionally oppose any notion, no matter how trivial, that enlarges the state's writ -- like socialism. No institution has ever generated as much evil as government. Not even a church. It's not even close.
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post



                    We're shopping high schools with my son currently. All the private high schools 'round here, which are predominantly Roman Catholic, are courting him like a prom date 'cause he plays hockey. It's frankly a little disgusting. One had the temerity to talk about -- via PowerPoint how their program instills character, and two minutes later they were showing female students scantily clad and shaking their little a$$es. Even my wife -- herself the product of a Roman Catholic high school and university education -- was a little embarrassed.

                    The fact is is that there's not an institution in this land -- public schools, private schools, political parties, joint stock corporations, courts, religions, armies, the Boy Scouts, police departments, Federal agencies, Major League Baseball -- whose prime directive isn't to perpetuate itself, and any news, no matter how mundane, that could conceivably threaten the institution's standing in the community is to be squashed, and the messengers proscribed with extreme prejudice. The congregants served by a religion, the investors served by a brokerage, the depositors served by a bank, the students served by a school -- the citizens served by a government -- are mere vehicles to the enhancement of the institutions' prestige, and their leaders' powers. You only count inasmuch as you can serve their interests. Never, ever forget that. You're a draft animal, nothing more. And that's why I constitutionally oppose any notion, no matter how trivial, that enlarges the state's writ -- like socialism. No institution has ever generated as much evil as government. Not even a church. It's not even close.
                    It may seem odd but in someways I'm afraid I'm even more jaded than you are about the nature of institutions.

                    I went to a Catholic school and what struck me the most was the emphasis on patriotism. Looking back I can see that it was most likely a result of over compensation for the marginalization of Catholics and Jews by the WASP establishment. A Catholic or a Jew had to prove that their first allegiance was to the U.S., something that was just assumed was true for protestants. This was perhaps my first glimpse of how institutions derive their power by consent. In the case of a religious school you would expect that the primary allegiance would have been to God and by extension his representative. If social mores can compel institutions even to a small degree to bend their primary message then social mores are more powerful than institutions. You can see this in how a handful of radicals and virtue signaling mobs have almost taken over the Democratic party. So not only are people "mere vehicles to the enhancement of the institutions" the institutions themselves are mere reflections of the mob. That is the nature of politics in a democracy.

                    It is the nature of institutions to be corrupt and self serving but they are also the container in which hierarchies of competency evolve. The institutions serve the purpose of restraining the concentration of power in an individual. As social animals humans are incapable of being powerful or even existing without cooperation. Institutions provide the rules that sustain the iterated game we call life. That should never lead to confusion over the voluntary nature of games. The mistake that socialism makes is that it forgets that a game requires voluntary cooperation or it will end up in chaos and no one wanting to play anymore because the game is rigged to let the incompetent win. The same thing can happen in capitalism if someone ends up with all the toys the game uses.

                    The other problem with socialism is that it assumes there is no such thing as human nature or assumes that institutions corrupt that nature. Your hypothesis about the nature of institutions seems to posit the latter assumption. As I tried to point out earlier institutions are actually the abstract representation of human nature to the extent that they are functional. They are the pack mentality writ large and like all packs the human pack does not serve the individual but serves the pack. That said the pack is only functional if the hierarchies of competency are legitimate. Socialism imposes illegitimate hierarchies that are not based on competency and faith in the pack is it's source of power.

                    Since institutions are more abstract than packs they require abstract rules to function. They have ideals like baseball, motherhood and apply pie. It's not cynicism to reject the apparent simplicity of such institutional values but blindness. We are the most abstract of apes. A stone tool is not just a rock but an idea. The idea of a stone tool is an intuition pump that can be shared. We didn't build stone tools because we have large brains but we have large brains because we had the intuition pump of stone tools. Institutions are evolved and complex intuition pumps that facilitate not only cooperation but our humanity itself. Because of their highly abstract nature they can and do go terrible wrong but the individual is also an abstraction. There is actually no such thing as one it is a made up concept or symbol. The human individual is the sum total of the abstraction that possesses them. We should take care what those abstractions are.

                    When I say I may be more cynical about institutions than you I mean I'm cynical about the nature of existence from a traditional perspective. While I have little use for the details of Catholicism a simple point derived from the mythology is worth noting. Nature is corrupt can be taken as the meaning of original sin. We confess our sins not to remove their stain but to acknowledge our interdependence on the community represented by the priest. A priest who by definition of original sin is himself corrupt. You cannot escape corruption by reduction.
                    We hunt the hunters

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                    • #25
                      "Serving the pack" only works if such actions on the part of individuals fulfill their specific needs as defined by Maslow. If the needs are not met, a new leader emerges, or in more extreme instances, the pack dissolves entirely and reforms elsewhere.

                      Your comment about suppressing any challenges to the group integrity is interesting and contradictory, considering the long defense of pedophiles by the Catholic Church. This is a direct action from the top down which both exposes rotten corruption within and places the Church seal of approval on a major Federal felony. Per your theory, the Church should be acting immediately to stamp out this threat to its survival, especially in the face of falling membership, and yet the Church continues to perpetuate these horrific crimes against children. The Church is therefore suicidal as a "pack".

                      It should be noted in your discourse somewhere that the pack mentality stops at a certain point on the IQ scale. Those more intelligent and self-sufficient do not need the pack to achieve their needs. In fact, the pack becomes a hindrance.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                        I said I never watched a show, I have seen segments, gotcha!
                        Like this segment where she talks about dressing up as a beautiful black woman for halloween?

                        https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-african-woman
                        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                          Like this segment where she talks about dressing up as a beautiful black woman for halloween?

                          https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-african-woman
                          She must retire quick fast and in a hurry
                          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                            She must retire quick fast and in a hurry
                            So which is it Fred. Quick or fast or in a hurry?
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                            • #29
                              A very good commentary on "the sitch", and does a great job of outlining the points of the case before it even became a case!


                              "Why is the Rum gone?"

                              -Captain Jack

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                                So which is it Fred. Quick or fast or in a hurry?
                                I don’t know Betty, but the sooner the better.
                                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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