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  • #31
    Sounds like psycho-babble. We have tons of experience with successful females in a wide variety of roles and responsibilities, Thatcher for one, and we are no longer apes, unless you count the denizens of WalMart.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Sounds like psycho-babble. We have tons of experience with successful females in a wide variety of roles and responsibilities, Thatcher for one, and we are no longer apes, unless you count the denizens of WalMart.
      Women tired of being beaten by drunken brutes and having the milk money spent on booze gave us the dystopian world of prohibition. Unintended consequences is one of the hallmarks of moral panics.

      People are driven by their instincts. As it relates to this thread the term biological clock was a popular reference a few years ago to women who postponed families in favor of careers.

      A Middle-Aged Career Woman on the Lies of Feminism She Learned Too Late

      https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/11/...rned-too-late/

      ​​​​​​Dennis Prager is a bit to religious for my tastes but as the woman in the article points out by wishing to remain anonymous it would be hard to quantify how common the regrets may be. I'm also not naive enough to think almost everyone doesn't have regrets. The point would be about how instincts color those regrets.

      A large part of the meaning in our lives is derived from satisfying instincts such as "love" and family. The key to understanding the biological is that DNA is the blueprint for creating the environment in which developmental patterns are expressed. Different environments will produce different expressions but a great deal of fidelity to the original type is required. Mutations for the most part are deleterious. Since we are a product of culture and biology the same principle applies to cultural mutations as well, if to a lesser extent.

      The moral is don't muck around with things you don't understand especially if you are a young person with limited experience.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

        Women tired of being beaten by drunken brutes and having the milk money spent on booze gave us the dystopian world of prohibition. Unintended consequences is one of the hallmarks of moral panics.

        People are driven by their instincts. As it relates to this thread the term biological clock was a popular reference a few years ago to women who postponed families in favor of careers.

        A Middle-Aged Career Woman on the Lies of Feminism She Learned Too Late

        https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/11/...rned-too-late/

        ​​​​​​Dennis Prager is a bit to religious for my tastes but as the woman in the article points out by wishing to remain anonymous it would be hard to quantify how common the regrets may be. I'm also not naive enough to think almost everyone doesn't have regrets. The point would be about how instincts color those regrets.

        A large part of the meaning in our lives is derived from satisfying instincts such as "love" and family. The key to understanding the biological is that DNA is the blueprint for creating the environment in which developmental patterns are expressed. Different environments will produce different expressions but a great deal of fidelity to the original type is required. Mutations for the most part are deleterious. Since we are a product of culture and biology the same principle applies to cultural mutations as well, if to a lesser extent.

        The moral is don't muck around with things you don't understand especially if you are a young person with limited experience.
        And yet progress in any civilization is usually by those who do "muck around" and exceed the known parameters. Go figure.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          Ocasio-Cortez Uses Violent Sexual Term To Describe Her Far-Left Agenda

          ...
          Former law enforcement officials called out socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) for using a violent sexual term on Wednesday in an interview that was published in The Washington Post.

          Ocasio-Cortez complained in the interview that the media was "focusing on taking quotes out of context or manipulating them or making it seem as though I said things that I didn’t say."

          A few sentences later, she said, "So enjoy being exhausted for the next two years while we run train on the progressive agenda."

          The 29-year-old former bartender, who describes herself as "Alex from the Bronx," used the term in the following exchange:
          The Post: How did you feel when that hit yesterday?

          Ocasio-Cortez: I was surprised and I was annoyed because it was a new tack. They’ve been for a very long time focusing on taking quotes out of context or manipulating them or making it seem as though I said things that I didn’t say. This was different in that it was an outright fraudulent thing. You can tell that they’re getting into hysterics because now you’re getting into my actual body, which is definitely crossing a level, definitely crossing a line.

          I also think it’s encouraging because this is my sixth day in Congress and they’re out of all their artillery. The nude is supposed to be like the bazooka. You know, like, “We’re going to take her down.” Dude, you’re all out of bullets, you’re all out of bombs, you’re all out of all this stuff. What have you got left? I’m six days into the term, and you already used all your ammo. So enjoy being exhausted for the next two years while we run train on the progressive agenda.
          The Washington Free Beacon noted that while Ocasio-Cortez most likely meant "she and her fellow liberal Democrats would enthusiastically pursue their agenda items, 'run train' is known as a crude sexual term, which is sometimes used to denote acting in an aggressive manner."

          Multiple online dictionaries that provide definitions for slang terms state that "run train" means to "to gangbang" someone with "several" other people.
          Former law enforcement officials weighed in on Ocasio-Cortez's statement and verified that "run train" does, in fact, refer to violent sexual activity.

          ".@AOC is trivializing a term (‘Run-Train’) used by murderous gangs like MS-13 to describe their tactic of brutally gang-raping women," former NYPD officer John Cardillo tweeted.

          CNN law enforcement analyst James A. Gagliano also weighed in on Ocasio-Cortez's remark, tweeting: "As someone who speaks live on-air, w/o “net” — understand misspeaking. Happens to best of us. But know no other context for this vile phrase. As someone who investigated violent street crime for years, this is vernacular of felons I’ve interrogated; not a sitting Congresswoman."

          ....
          https://www.dailywire.com/news/42286...aign=position2

          So your saying politically correctness is a good thing. Wow please turn in your conservate card now and start voting for the left.

          btw anyone who grew up in the late 80s would tell you I am correct. Since the song was fairly popular then.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            And yet progress in any civilization is usually by those who do "muck around" and exceed the known parameters. Go figure.
            Change is a bit complicated because there are costs and benefits.

            Since we have been talking about female sexuality lets examine what change has had the most impact on women's quality of life. If you were to say the right to vote I think that would be delusional. I would argue that two things have improved women's quality of life more than anything else, birth control whether that be in the form of contraceptives or abortion, and improvements in sanitation. Both of which were driven more by market forces than humanitarian concerns. Women and men have benefited equally from other improvements such as cheap consumer goods but perhaps appliances had more impact on freeing women from traditional roles. Socialism as supported by Cortez has been a dismal failure historically in this area. Even the welfare state that eliminated absolute poverty has come with considerable costs in terms of family and community.

            Women on average spend 70 cents of ever dollar, are historically the major beneficiary by temperament of things like improved housing, receive on average more in government aid than they pay in taxes, live longer, and have more control over child custody to name a few benefits of biological sex. It is human nature to not appreciate what you have been given and always want more given. The question is if the majority of people have any idea where and how their high standard of living is generated. The question for people like Cortez is why is she in the U.S. if it is a horrible place, why did her ancestors not stay in Puerto Rico. The answer of course is capitalism and the competency hierarchy it is based on. The natural female hierarchy by contrast is not based on competency but mate selection. Female hypergamy is a feature of most all cultures. It can be argued that it is also more focused on distribution than production. These kinds of realities cannot be explained by culture because they are manifested cross culturally in recognizable patterns.

            The reality is that rights without responsibilities are not fulfilling. In our efforts to provide a universal franchise no instruction on how or why liberal democracy is to be maintained has been given. We have seen that equality without a competency hierarchy leads to gulags and economic failure over and over but large segments of the population seem blissfully unaware of that history. If your hierarchy is not based on productivity you produce people like Cortez and put them in positions where they are incompetent. Too much of our society is based on pretty faces, beautiful homes in which to hide while the infrastructure around us collapses. We are too focused on form rather than function. All the human rights on paper will not help you when the practical is ignored. The popularity of zombie movies tells me that somewhere deep in the subconscious this reality is understood.
            We hunt the hunters

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            • #36
              Originally posted by craven View Post

              So your saying politically correctness is a good thing. Wow please turn in your conservate card now and start voting for the left.

              btw anyone who grew up in the late 80s would tell you I am correct. Since the song was fairly popular then.
              Nope. But the article and excerpts I present might be seen as such. My "comment" amounts to the two smilies I inserted.

              Just suggesting that opinions seem to vary on the connotations here.

              Since I've often been accused of a slanted perspective/bias on many of these topics, just trying, once again, to provided some material that could cover the "other side" of the debate.


              BTW, which song ???
              Whiskey for my men, and beer for my horses.
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
              Bock's First Law of History: The Past shapes the Present, which forms the Future. *

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              • #37
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                Change is a bit complicated because there are costs and benefits.

                Since we have been talking about female sexuality lets examine what change has had the most impact on women's quality of life. If you were to say the right to vote I think that would be delusional. I would argue that two things have improved women's quality of life more than anything else, birth control whether that be in the form of contraceptives or abortion, and improvements in sanitation. Both of which were driven more by market forces than humanitarian concerns. Women and men have benefited equally from other improvements such as cheap consumer goods but perhaps appliances had more impact on freeing women from traditional roles. Socialism as supported by Cortez has been a dismal failure historically in this area. Even the welfare state that eliminated absolute poverty has come with considerable costs in terms of family and community.

                Women on average spend 70 cents of ever dollar, are historically the major beneficiary by temperament of things like improved housing, receive on average more in government aid than they pay in taxes, live longer, and have more control over child custody to name a few benefits of biological sex. It is human nature to not appreciate what you have been given and always want more given. The question is if the majority of people have any idea where and how their high standard of living is generated. The question for people like Cortez is why is she in the U.S. if it is a horrible place, why did her ancestors not stay in Puerto Rico. The answer of course is capitalism and the competency hierarchy it is based on. The natural female hierarchy by contrast is not based on competency but mate selection. Female hypergamy is a feature of most all cultures. It can be argued that it is also more focused on distribution than production. These kinds of realities cannot be explained by culture because they are manifested cross culturally in recognizable patterns.

                The reality is that rights without responsibilities are not fulfilling. In our efforts to provide a universal franchise no instruction on how or why liberal democracy is to be maintained has been given. We have seen that equality without a competency hierarchy leads to gulags and economic failure over and over but large segments of the population seem blissfully unaware of that history. If your hierarchy is not based on productivity you produce people like Cortez and put them in positions where they are incompetent. Too much of our society is based on pretty faces, beautiful homes in which to hide while the infrastructure around us collapses. We are too focused on form rather than function. All the human rights on paper will not help you when the practical is ignored. The popularity of zombie movies tells me that somewhere deep in the subconscious this reality is understood.
                Different subject? We were discussing how change is dependent upon those who do not toe the societal line. You seem have veered off first into feminism and the objectifying of females, which - BTW - they do to themselves.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  Different subject? We were discussing how change is dependent upon those who do not toe the societal line. You seem have veered off first into feminism and the objectifying of females, which - BTW - they do to themselves.
                  You are a hard task master :-)

                  Cortez is a feminist and I'm a misogynist what did you expect. Seriously however we need to stop being afraid of the labels they stick on us. They are female bullies if you don't react they move on to some other victim.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                    You are a hard task master :-)

                    Cortez is a feminist and I'm a misogynist what did you expect. Seriously however we need to stop being afraid of the labels they stick on us. They are female bullies if you don't react they move on to some other victim.
                    Good to know.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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