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  • #91
    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    In 49 of 58 elections the number of PV is known , and in 19 cases a potus was elected who had less than 50 % of the PV and mostly the losers accepted their defeat, till Hillary lost 2 years ago and the Democrats said : we lost,thus one must change the system .
    The GOP did not demand an other system when the following Democrats were elected with less than 50% of the PV .
    1960 : JFK 49,72 %
    1948 : Truman : 49,55
    1916 : Wilson : 49,24
    1996 : Clinton : 49,23
    1884 : Cleveland : 48,85
    1892 : Cleveland : 46,02
    1856 : Buchanan :45,29
    1992 : Clinton : 42,01
    1912 : Wilson : 41,84
    9 Democrats and 6 Republicans became potus with less than 50 % of the PV .
    And, if one wants to change the presidential election system, what about congressional elections,where the same system is used ?There also parties got the House majority with less PV than the opponents .
    All of those examples are Democrats. I guess they benefit the most from the electoral college.

    The complaint for Hillary is ridiculous. If the election was determined by popular vote then Trump would have campaigned more in New York, California, and other solid blue states with Conservaite minorities. Their votes would count. There would be greater turnout in solid red states. Trump lost the populat vote by 2%. If he campaigned in these regions he probably would have won. Hillary barely campaigned. She was going to lose either way.
    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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    • #92
      Originally posted by ljadw View Post
      In 49 of 58 elections the number of PV is known , and in 19 cases a potus was elected who had less than 50 % of the PV and mostly the losers accepted their defeat, till Hillary lost 2 years ago and the Democrats said : we lost,thus one must change the system .
      The GOP did not demand an other system when the following Democrats were elected with less than 50% of the PV .
      1960 : JFK 49,72 %
      1948 : Truman : 49,55
      1916 : Wilson : 49,24
      1996 : Clinton : 49,23
      1884 : Cleveland : 48,85
      1892 : Cleveland : 46,02
      1856 : Buchanan :45,29
      1992 : Clinton : 42,01
      1912 : Wilson : 41,84
      9 Democrats and 6 Republicans became potus with less than 50 % of the PV .
      And, if one wants to change the presidential election system, what about congressional elections,where the same system is used ?There also parties got the House majority with less PV than the opponents .
      Highlighting the hypocrisy of the left is fun, isn't it? Especially those on this website.
      The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

        If a State only has a population of 100,000 it still get's the same two Senators. House members are determined by popular vote with in the state. EC has nothing to do with it.

        https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ege/about.html
        excellent point.

        While I'm more interested observer than expert- the Electoral college exists only to elect a POTUS who represents the fair balance of the Republic, NOT to " adjust legislative power." he question is whether it still represents that fair regional balance. In 1789, most people spent their lives within 100 miles of the home farm.

        The electoral college was a compromise to convert a reluctant collective, suspicious of central authority, into something that worked.

        t the Articles of confederation into a federal constitution that all States could buy on to.Vermont still held out- as did a lot of the New England regions.

        BTW, the Articles still require the United States to Accept the Prov. of Quebec as a state, if and when it asks.
        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

          Your dog needs new glasses. CA Gov is running a surplus.

          Maybe the glasses need a new dog, a smarter breed.
          Which California you talking about?
          Per this, spending is about 25% more than revenue and debt load ....
          http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-deb...ebt-clock.html

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          • #95
            Originally posted by marktwain View Post

            excellent point.

            While I'm more interested observer than expert- the Electoral college exists only to elect a POTUS who represents the fair balance of the Republic, NOT to " adjust legislative power." he question is whether it still represents that fair regional balance. In 1789, most people spent their lives within 100 miles of the home farm.

            The electoral college was a compromise to convert a reluctant collective, suspicious of central authority, into something that worked.

            t the Articles of confederation into a federal constitution that all States could buy on to.Vermont still held out- as did a lot of the New England regions.

            BTW, the Articles still require the United States to Accept the Prov. of Quebec as a state, if and when it asks.
            Well the AoC are no longer binding, but many a resident of B.C. when down here shopping (better prices and product selections) claim they'd be willing to have their Province become 51st state if it were possible.*

            * which would be the 59th state if we were still using Obama math.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

              Which California you talking about?
              Per this, spending is about 25% more than revenue and debt load ....
              http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-deb...ebt-clock.html
              How is that site's definitions work? For example it has Michigan running deficits, when we have had budget surpluses for several years now.

              Tuebor

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                How is that site's definitions work? For example it has Michigan running deficits, when we have had budget surpluses for several years now.

                Tuebor
                On the main site, if you hold the cursor over the tally label it gives a source, such OBM, US Census, etc.;
                http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html
                Looks like the individual states don't have this tracking feature.

                Does your state have a website showing full disclosure on revenues, spending, debt/deficit, etc.?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                  How is that site's definitions work? For example it has Michigan running deficits, when we have had budget surpluses for several years now.

                  Tuebor
                  How is Flint's water?
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                    How is Flint's water?
                    What has that to do with wanting to rewriting the Constitution to change the Republic to a Democracy so that Democrats from the big cities can rule forever?

                    For the record, the problem with Flint water is not a Flint issue, never mind the fact that Flint has been ruled by Democrats long before they decided that lead was an issue. Every city, including Rome during the Roman Empire era, has a lead problem with their municipal water supply. It is caused by the solder in copper plumbing, old galvanized pipes, and even lead pipes in very old houses. That doesn't even take into consideration the lead found in house paint in older houses, lead in the soil from years of leaded gasoline use, lead from old pesticides, lead from spent ammo in all the shootings and News Years celebration, lead used for repairing old cars before Bondo was invented, lead weights for tires and fishing lines, lead from old tin cans, even the rare all lead heating coil for greenhouse soil.
                    “Breaking News,”

                    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                      Which California you talking about?
                      Per this, spending is about 25% more than revenue and debt load ....
                      http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-deb...ebt-clock.html
                      Your not counting the ZERO's GDP is in Trillions debt in billions.
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                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                        Your not counting the ZERO's GDP is in Trillions debt in billions.
                        transparent2.gif
                        Moving goal posts or just don't understand accounting?
                        Note I said spending versus revenue(income=taxes, etc.). Which is for the government balance sheet, not the whole economy that includes private sector(GDP).
                        BTW it's " you're " not "your".
                        And they let you be an officer ???

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                        • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                          How is Flint's water?
                          Currently well below Federal limits. The problem was never one of financing, but one of criminal dumbassery.

                          Tuebor

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                          • Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                            Democrats want to eliminate the Electoral College






                            I wish them, (as the Japanese would say) Good Ruck!
                            Democratic leadership saved the world, it occured in WW2. In WW2 American liberals from the GOP and Democratic party helped to save the world. In those days Americans and Japanese people were fierce and strong, The Empire of Japan was one of the strongest Empires to ever live. But it was the Americans that were on the right side with the Soviets and British.

                            The WW2 era was when Americans in general rolled up their sleeves and got the work done. Our country is not the same today, Democrats and GOP have work to do.

                            Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, its a rarity in US history. Some GOP have tried to use word games to downplay Trumps popular vote loss in the 2016 POTUS election, nothing can change history though. Maybe in 2020 Trump can gain more support we will see.

                            The electoral college is ok. To that point there is also nothing wrong with entertaining the idea of making the popular vote more important in the USA. FDR and Eisenhower were great leaders btw, All democrats and republicans should look toward these two. Eisenhower championed the American worker. Under Eisenhower the American Interstate Highway system grew. Americans can to this day travel easier thanks to the work of President Eisenhower.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
                            Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 17 Jan 19, 20:14.
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                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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                            • Excuse me, but barely half the eligible voters voted and barely half of those voted against Trump so we're talking about a quarter of "the people" voting for either Trump or hag Hillary. Fortunately our Founders had some expectation this sort of thing would happen which is why they included the Electoral College in our Constitution.

                              Before you all get too wound up on "majorities" supposedly being right, please consider Germany in 1933 and what the "majority" voter winning party made happen there, and upon the world. The "masses" are seldom right, more often just a mob. (Our Southern States back in the post ACW to 1950s, before the Civil rights Act, should have provided a lesson there.)

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                              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                                Excuse me, but barely half the eligible voters voted and barely half of those voted against Trump so we're talking about a quarter of "the people" voting for either Trump or hag Hillary. Fortunately our Founders had some expectation this sort of thing would happen which is why they included the Electoral College in our Constitution.

                                Before you all get too wound up on "majorities" supposedly being right, please consider Germany in 1933 and what the "majority" voter winning party made happen there, and upon the world. The "masses" are seldom right, more often just a mob. (Our Southern States back in the post ACW to 1950s, before the Civil rights Act, should have provided a lesson there.)
                                Every country and people have their controversies. No peoples are free from controversial history. The Third Reich had mass support, but the greatest Kingdoms and Empires of history also had mass support. Generally the people are right, The Third Reich is an exception to successful movements in our world. The American Civil War saw the Union prevail and therefore slavery end. American people at large spoke in the Civil War, the best side won it was the Union. The CSA would have won had they had the majority of the American people and its strength , but that was not the case

                                Under FDR and Eisenhower the USA became the greatest country in the world. Eisenhower stood with Soviet and British leaders time again being the great hero he was. And you and I, and all Americans can freely travel from state to state in large part to Eisenhower and his vision of connecting American people from state to state via the beautiful Interstate Highway System. Under Trump more mass amount of highways should be built.
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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