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  • #16
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/586853001/

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      If "walls don't work", then why have millions of Americans fenced off their property? Why arer farms, ranches, and factories surrounded by chain link fence or barbed wire? Why are prisons behind walls and wire that would make a WWI soldier green with envy? Why are American homes fenced in? Why is the White House behind a heavily guard, solid steel fence?

      Walls work, but laws must be enforced.
      EXACTLY!

      We could add to the list;
      * All USA military installations/bases
      * Embassies, ours and those of other nations, throughout the world
      * The Vatican

      While barriers/fences/walls are not a 100% block to transit, they are effective at significant reduction and requiring extra effort and resource from those whom try to get past them. They also provide a "force multiply" to those personnel seeking to protect a border. In the case of our Southern border, high and solid "walls" would reduce the amount of rocks being tossed at our Border Patrol agents.

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      • #18
        It would certainly be nice if we didn't need any walls or laws.

        This relationship between walls and laws as pointed out by MM and others is key to the humanitarian issue. Walls not only protect those inside but are also dissipate the inclination to violate the law. In more personal terms a wall around a pool at your home is both cheaper and less disruptive to the social fabric than a law suit over a child drowning. In other cases walls mitigate the need for force. This principle is the primary argument against the libertarian argument.

        For reasons beyond the control of those inside the wall those wishing to cross the border illegally are morally incompetent. The moral responsibility falls on those that encourage the trespass. The U.S. in essence is like the swimming pool in the above example not only an attractive nuisance but a moral hazard. The problem can only be solved by making conditions on both sides of the wall equally attractive and by the institution of equally effective safe guards (rule of law and social benefits).
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Nichols View Post
          Obviously Acosta didn't think this one out, nothing like proving that walls work.


          "CNN Chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta was mocked on social media after his report from a steel wall from the border "didn't show anything resembling a national emergency" in the area of the border that the president will be visiting Thursday in McAllen, Texas.

          "I found some steel slats down on the border," wrote Acosta on Twitter. "But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.. at least not in the McAllen, Texas, area of the border where Trump will be today."

          https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...tly-walls-work
          Good it doesn't sound like there is a National Emergency taking place at McAllen, Texas. The slat fence has to be new so what was there before and what was the situation previously a la illegal immigrants?

          What section of the border is the most porous right now causing the National Emergency and what do they currently have in place there?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Canuckster View Post

            Good it doesn't sound like there is a National Emergency taking place at McAllen, Texas. The slat fence has to be new so what was there before and what was the situation previously a la illegal immigrants?

            What section of the border is the most porous right now causing the National Emergency and what do they currently have in place there?
            This is the problem between both sides of the debate. One side says walls are immoral, the other side provides examples of walls working.

            So who is correct?

            What is the way forward?

            We have proof that walls appear to work, we don't have proof that walls are immoral.

            Another question; the people that claim walls are immoral, is it immoral for them to lock their homes, cars, social security numbers, bank accounts...........? Where do they draw the line?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

              EXACTLY!

              We could add to the list;
              * All USA military installations/bases
              * Embassies, ours and those of other nations, throughout the world
              * The Vatican

              .
              Obama's house.
              Clintons house

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Canuckster View Post

                Good it doesn't sound like there is a National Emergency taking place at McAllen, Texas. The slat fence has to be new so what was there before and what was the situation previously a la illegal immigrants?

                What section of the border is the most porous right now causing the National Emergency and what do they currently have in place there?
                Good post.

                Major concern in terms of The Volume of illegal crossings and smuggling is Tijuana /, due to the concentration of population nd "support services"
                the San Diego Union tribune has done some excellent reporting on what is ne3eded, and on what is "Hot air fluffing."

                Research and testing is their conclusion.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sa..._Union-Tribune
                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                  This is the problem between both sides of the debate. One side says walls are immoral, the other side provides examples of walls working.

                  So who is correct?

                  What is the way forward?

                  We have proof that walls appear to work, we don't have proof that walls are immoral.

                  Another question; the people that claim walls are immoral, is it immoral for them to lock their homes, cars, social security numbers, bank accounts...........? Where do they draw the line?
                  Those who know that walls are a working solution are correct. Those who argue against a wall are mouthing liberal platitudes and, as you point out, guilty of hypocrisy as well since they secure themselves against intrusion but argue against securing the nation.

                  National sovereignty is a matter of international law; therefore, maintaining that sovereignty is not "immoral" in any way. Imagine for a moment, if you will, what Mexico's response would be if all of the poor, the homeless and the criminals decided to invade Mexico. I doubt they would accept that in the relatively benign way that we do.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #24
                    well...
                    The best one can do is attempt to warn without " playing chess against the proverbial pigeon."

                    trading insults and accusing differing viewpoints of being " NYA NYA NYA" is the modern equivalent of the medieval cadaver trial- pointless. ask Formosus

                    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                    • #25
                      Now let's take an American example- the Johnson era of 'Mega canals at government expense."
                      and Trump disciples,, you well have to look up your own research.

                      1. the Arkansas river- Canalized during the early sixties as far as TULSA, Oklahoma. Huge expense, a towing nightmare - when it isn't in flood- then a double nightmare. Loses money hand over foot. Proof that "steady rain doesn't follow the bulldozer. Doesn't meet yearly operating costs - never paid a dime towards massive construction costs.

                      2. Ten Tom canal- the seventies & eighties pork barrel Tennessee river construction greenback flush.

                      3. And The BIG ABANDONED DIG - the Florida cross state barge canal- thankfully, Killed by Richard Nixon. thank you- Millhouse. but- over a
                      Billion, in todays funds, spent. before it - dies..33.

                      Look before you leap- even if a former Game show Host is your new 'Messiah"

                      nOW

                      lord, WHAT FOOLS WE MORTALS BE...
                      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                        Now let's take an American example- the Johnson era of 'Mega canals at government expense."
                        and Trump disciples,, you well have to look up your own research.

                        1. the Arkansas river- Canalized during the early sixties as far as TULSA, Oklahoma. Huge expense, a towing nightmare - when it isn't in flood- then a double nightmare. Loses money hand over foot. Proof that "steady rain doesn't follow the bulldozer. Doesn't meet yearly operating costs - never paid a dime towards massive construction costs.

                        2. Ten Tom canal- the seventies & eighties pork barrel Tennessee river construction greenback flush.

                        3. And The BIG ABANDONED DIG - the Florida cross state barge canal- thankfully, Killed by Richard Nixon. thank you- Millhouse. but- over a
                        Billion, in todays funds, spent. before it - dies..33.

                        Look before you leap- even if a former Game show Host is your new 'Messiah"

                        nOW

                        lord, WHAT FOOLS WE MORTALS BE...
                        The Arkansas river was not "canalized" near Tulsa Oklahoma, nor anywhere else. What you are calling a canal is a system of locks and dams built into the Verdigris and Arkansas rivers known as the McClellan/Kerr navigation system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClel...igation_System

                        I'm not sure where you get the information on it's cost. But, it is a major water highway for crops grown in Oklahoma and Kansas, and for coal mined in Oklahoma, to reach the Gulf of Mexico. The original reason for it being built was actually the space program. The senior US Senator from Oklahoma in the 50's and early 60's was a guy by the name of Bob Kerr. Bob Kerr was not only a powerful member of the US Senate, but a good friend of LBJ. The two of them were using their power and influence to get as much of the space program in their homestates as possible. The northeast part of Oklahoma, including the Tulsa area, was to be one of the hubs of manufacturing for the space program. There was a North American Rockwell plant in Tulsa, that built parts for both the Saturn rockets, and later, the space shuttle. That "canal," as you call it, was to be used to move those parts from Oklahoma to Florida.

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                        • #27
                          Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

                          Prayers.

                          BoRG

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                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtsX_Z3CMU

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                            .we sure are , ......

                            https://www.bing.com/search?q=florid...277A909CC33DEE


                            hi dry and abandoned.... cept when it rains....
                            https://www.bing.com/search?q=florid...277A909CC33DEE


                            Re:The McClellan-Kerr waterway is fully maintained by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, requiring federal approval and funding before projects can be undertaken. Currently, the system has a backlog of $143 million in critical need projects, many of which have a 50 percent chance of failure in the next five years. The chance of infrastructure failures along the waterway is a threat to Oklahoma’s economy, especially in the agricultural, energy, and manufacturing sectors.

                            The waterway was supposed to be self sustaining. don't get too close to the Glass , Sal- run if it cracks...

                            Last edited by marktwain; 16 Jan 19, 11:27.
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by phil74501 View Post

                              The Arkansas river was not "canalized" near Tulsa Oklahoma, nor anywhere else. What you are calling a canal is a system of locks and dams built into the Verdigris and Arkansas rivers known as the McClellan/Kerr navigation system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClel...igation_System

                              I'm not sure where you get the information on it's cost. But, it is a major water highway for crops grown in Oklahoma and Kansas, and for coal mined in Oklahoma, to reach the Gulf of Mexico. The original reason for it being built was actually the space program. The senior US Senator from Oklahoma in the 50's and early 60's was a guy by the name of Bob Kerr. Bob Kerr was not only a powerful member of the US Senate, but a good friend of LBJ. The two of them were using their power and influence to get as much of the space program in their homestates as possible. The northeast part of Oklahoma, including the Tulsa area, was to be one of the hubs of manufacturing for the space program. There was a North American Rockwell plant in Tulsa, that built parts for both the Saturn rockets, and later, the space shuttle. That "canal," as you call it, was to be used to move those parts from Oklahoma to Florida.
                              Thanks bob:
                              here is the competing viewpoint.

                              The waterway has a deficit backlog of 143 million in urgent construction. No sinking or contingency fund.

                              https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_c...challenges.pdf
                              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                                Yes, walls do work and Acosta provided proof of this today.
                                Meh> believe everything you read...or see....
                                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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