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  • #46
    Try this one:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      It isn't my 'opinion' but it researched facts from those tidbits to which you refer. You, however, have posted nothing but opinion backed up by nothing factual. If you don't agree, then find something that supports your opinion. Put up or shut up.
      it isn't researched facts Massena, it's misrepresented what he said, and then fraudulently tried to "factcheck" it.
      A biased hit piece.

      He's already posted the first.


      Ok, just one example. Trump said "Every day, Customs and Border Patrol agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country."
      CNN said this was a lie because border agents only apprehend about one thousand illegals a day on average. Trump didn't say "apprehend." He said "encounter." Border patrol agents encounter illegals they do not apprehend.
      This is a slight play on words that CNN expects its audience to miss. The rest of the article is in the same vein.
      You'll also note that the hundreds of people who tried to storm the border but were repelled by tear gas would count as "encountered" but not "apprehended". Attempted crossings that are aborted when CBP shows up would be the same.

      Fact check claim - Debunked

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        Try this one:

        https://www.FAKE NEWS.com
        A link to a highly biased organization.
        Care to cite something? Or just link dropping...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Freebird View Post

          A link to a highly biased organization.
          Care to cite something? Or just link dropping...
          Why do conservatives ignore any source that isn't GOP approved?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
            Why do conservatives ignore any source that isn't GOP approved?
            Nothing to do with the GOP.
            If I find an anchor, reporter or network to be consistently strongly biased or untruthful then I tune them out.
            MSN is on my unreliablehosts/biased list, as are some Fox hosts

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            • #51
              Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
              Why do conservatives ignore any source that isn't GOP approved?
              Awww- but it is getting better.....
              About 6 years ago, I joined the '(now defunct, I think?)' armchair Socialist' group- don't believe I ever posted there!

              I would get a lot of responses in the #[email protected]%^$#^ commie category!

              However, Here is a quick and easy five minute guide to how legislation should work in the United states congress.

              http://iplaw.wikia.com/wiki/Legislat..._United_States
              Last edited by marktwain; 10 Jan 19, 15:00.
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #52
                Originally posted by American87 View Post

                Iím going to need to see documentation for this too. I looked it up, and Schumer tried to jip Trump on that $25B bill, which is why it was rejected. Also Obama and Hillary supported legislation for something very similar to what Trump is asking for-building a fence. You say they were supposed to get something from this. Maybe they did. But for them to support a fence is a sure sign we need improvements, and circumstances say a wall is needed for those improvements. But itís Trump, so Democrats are playing politics.
                you need to start your research at the beginning of this whole argument. I lived through it and watched it play out in the news. Btw what they did achieved the stated goal.

                Look at stats for crossings in 90 to now. down by over 50 percent.

                They did not try and jip Trump out of it. Trump does not understand how federal systems works. You do not get the money in a lump sum as he wanted. For example Trump has not spent the extra funding he got last year. Spending the 25b the way trump wanted would of led to more waste than usual.

                Not including Trump has to spend a year or two doing NEPA first. Stealing property through immenent domain.

                BTW how do you think all that wall that is now in place where it most effective got in place. How do you think border patrol has grown. Dems voted for it.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Freebird View Post

                  it isn't researched facts Massena, it's misrepresented what he said, and then fraudulently tried to "factcheck" it.
                  A biased hit piece.

                  He's already posted the first.



                  You'll also note that the hundreds of people who tried to storm the border but were repelled by tear gas would count as "encountered" but not "apprehended". Attempted crossings that are aborted when CBP shows up would be the same.

                  Fact check claim - Debunked
                  Well then Trump changed the rules of scoring the game. Encounters is not an provable number but apprehensions are and can be fact checked. Granted I am not doubting the agents. But the guy they are working for had the Biggest inauguration in history incase you did not know.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by craven View Post

                    Well then Trump changed the rules of scoring the game. Encounters is not an provable number but apprehensions are and can be fact checked. Granted I am not doubting the agents. But the guy they are working for had the Biggest inauguration in history incase you did not know.
                    I'm not a fan of Trump.
                    I just think the Left would do better to focus on offering sensible alternative policies rather than trying to nitpick what he says, or just mindless Trump bashing.
                    The MSM trying to contrast "wall" with "fence" is an example.
                    The steel slat fence is basically a wall. To me, wall=fence.
                    The head of the BP says they need more secure fencing, and the Dems seem to advocate Open Borders.

                    Believe it or not there are a lot of moderates out there, but when you have Dem leaders calling them "immoral" or "deplorables" it's not going to be very persuasive

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Freebird View Post

                      I'm not a fan of Trump.
                      I just think the Left would do better to focus on offering sensible alternative policies rather than trying to nitpick what he says, or just mindless Trump bashing.
                      The MSM trying to contrast "wall" with "fence" is an example.
                      The steel slat fence is basically a wall. To me, wall=fence.
                      The head of the BP says they need more secure fencing, and the Dems seem to advocate Open Borders.

                      Believe it or not there are a lot of moderates out there, but when you have Dem leaders calling them "immoral" or "deplorables" it's not going to be very persuasive
                      your only a deplorable if your a racist. The fact that most Trump supporters cant understand this is shows a level of non thinking
                      But Romoney comment about the 48 percent was also True and those who were offended by it showed the same level of non thinking.

                      The key here is why would you make a deal when the guy your making the deal has broken every agreement he had made with you.

                      you want the wall sure here you agree to DACA Trump gets heat from his base backs out. He agrees to a bill to keep govt open gets heat he backs out.
                      This is my current problem with what the head of the BP says is he catering to Trump or is he giving us his best advice. (btw they probally could be some improvements but again. Fact are not a strong point of the Trump admin.)

                      At least back when I use to argue against things Obama was doing we at least were using the same fact.

                      It not open border what they are saying at the heart of it. Is they did border security a few times with a promise of immigration reform. Which was last stopped by the Rep.

                      Oh they do not have to put forth anything because since they are the minority they don't have to be helpful. See republican behavior during Obama time. Hell just look at healthcare issue. We still have yet to see the replacement for Obama care.

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