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  • Manafort and the Russians

    This is a very interesting article:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/29/polit...ign/index.html

    If you're in debt to the Russians, you can both be used and blackmailed by the Russians.

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    And for 2019...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

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    • #3
      There's a long history of fraud and criminal activity with the Trump family. Decades before the election. Why would people support a criminal for POTUS? There really aren't any positive qualities in that family. Can't lead, failed businessperson, etc. It feels like 10's of millions of people didn't know who Trump was before the election.

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      • #4
        Still much better than Hillary.
        There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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        • #5
          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
          There's a long history of fraud and criminal activity with the Trump family. Decades before the election. Why would people support a criminal for POTUS? There really aren't any positive qualities in that family. Can't lead, failed businessperson, etc. It feels like 10's of millions of people didn't know who Trump was before the election.
          Just curious... What fraud and criminal activity did Trump's family commit? Could you give us a list or some examples?

          With Hillary it's easy:

          Commodities trading
          Whitewater
          Chinagate
          Travelgate
          Looting the White House
          The e-mail server (numerous)

          Those are the absolutely clear cases where there was some sort of agreement with various legal powers to weasel out of getting charged in exchange for some remittance or agreement to undo / stop doing what was chargeable.

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          • #6
            And more on the situation:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

            And you should be reminded that Hillary Clinton is not the president-Trump is. And he and his administration, et al, have been under criminal investigation from almost day one. That is a national disgrace.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              And more on the situation:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              And you should be reminded that Hillary Clinton is not the president-Trump is. And he and his administration, et al, have been under criminal investigation from almost day one. That is a national disgrace.
              More of that level 15 crisis hand wringing when it's at a level 2 or 3 by the usual suspects in the media. How many times are you going to buy the line "The end is near for Trump!" in one form or another? That crap's been going on now with the MSM for over two years and we're no closer to the end of Trump's presidency-- except by time in office-- than we were two years ago.
              I, for one have just tuned it all out. I no longer listen to the cries of "Wolf!" and the Chicken Littles running around claiming the sky is falling. But, you still are going just as strong as you were 18 months ago with nothing to show that any of your claims are advancing to the conclusions you predict.

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              • #8
                Actually, you and others are playing the ostrich and offering excuses for anything that Trump and his band of cutthroats do. And that is despicable.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  Actually, you and others are playing the ostrich and offering excuses for anything that Trump and his band of cutthroats do. And that is despicable.
                  Thanks for the ad hominem.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                    More of that level 15 crisis hand wringing when it's at a level 2 or 3 by the usual suspects in the media. How many times are you going to buy the line "The end is near for Trump!" in one form or another? That crap's been going on now with the MSM for over two years and we're no closer to the end of Trump's presidency-- except by time in office-- than we were two years ago.
                    I, for one have just tuned it all out. I no longer listen to the cries of "Wolf!" and the Chicken Littles running around claiming the sky is falling. But, you still are going just as strong as you were 18 months ago with nothing to show that any of your claims are advancing to the conclusions you predict.


                    Oh yeah, just wait until tomorrow when we find out the new “worst thing ever” that will sink trump.
                    And the fact that the media is using this type of reporting to keep that segment of the population that wants to reverse a completely legal presidential election tuned in every day might suggest that they are being manipulated by their own gods. But who ever heard of the media trying to manipulate people.

                    The right wing media did the same thing with BO, just not anywhere near this extent.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Actually, you and others are playing the ostrich and offering excuses for anything that Trump and his band of cutthroats do. And that is despicable.


                      Your underlying point that Manafort could have been blackmailed isn’t proof of anything, yet you seem to be arguing it is.
                      If he was being blackmailed then he must have done something in furtherance of that conspiracy and yet, Mueller never charged him with anything. Nor have we heard of anything.
                      I keep waiting for evidence of the actual alleged crime (conspiracy with the Russians) and yet, after 2 years, we still have nothing.

                      When facts are put forth I will consider them.
                      Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                      Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                        There's a long history of fraud and criminal activity with the Trump family. Decades before the election. Why would people support a criminal for POTUS? There really aren't any positive qualities in that family. Can't lead, failed businessperson, etc. It feels like 10's of millions of people didn't know who Trump was before the election.
                        INTERESTING Point.

                        He got his worst ratings in the primaries and the election- in NYC- where they know him- Best - and for the longest time.....,
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                        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post



                          Oh yeah, just wait until tomorrow when we find out the new “worst thing ever” that will sink trump.
                          And the fact that the media is using this type of reporting to keep that segment of the population that wants to reverse a completely legal presidential election tuned in every day might suggest that they are being manipulated by their own gods. But who ever heard of the media trying to manipulate people.

                          The right wing media did the same thing with BO, just not anywhere near this extent.
                          All of that could be very true.

                          But I have one question to ask, what has Trump done to help his credibility throughout all of this?

                          He claims he didn't know anything about Stormy Daniels...lie.

                          He claims he didn't know Whitaker....lie

                          He said he was going to release his tax returns...lie

                          He claims to have had no business interests in Russin....lie

                          His tweets are generally paper thin distortions that are obviously going to garner negative press.

                          Maybe they are all corrupt but he seems to be the one who can't get his facts straight or keep his mouth shut.......


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                          • #14
                            When it comes to celebrity, Trump is a friggin' genius. He's the guy you love to hate. He gets more face time and press time than the past three Presidents combined. Obama didn't get the kind of daily pages of newsprint that Trump does.

                            He's the political equivalent of the Kardashians. He's the OJ Simpson trial of politics. You can hate him all you want, and he probably is eating it up because it keeps him front and center on stage.

                            So, the more the MSM continues a daily hate rant against Trump, the more his supporters dig in, the more the Left is sent into stratospheric levels of blood pressure, screaming fits, and hair pulling, while the Center is now ignoring it all just as they have other celebrity silliness.

                            I figure Trump has decided his role is to be the bad boy of politics and he's playing it to a tee. I think Trump would curl up in the fetal position if the MSM started ignoring him rather than going hyper-ballistic on a daily basis with everything being a level 15 crisis on a 1 to 10 scale. But, I also think that the MSM has moved far enough Left that there is no way in the universe they can do that, and Trump knows that too.

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                            • #15
                              He's the political equivalent of the Kardashians
                              Plus their class and intellect

                              You still have

                              is?23qoZyOsOOR69etwM4Iaj8lZ0j7G5TCH3Mtk4yvg_fE&height=228.jpg
                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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