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  • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    And yet capitalism existed already before the industrial revolution .
    And yet socialism emerged during the industrial revolution

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    • Originally posted by Jutland View Post

      And yet socialism emerged during the industrial revolution
      During does not mean : because .There is no compelling relation between them .
      Besides : socialism/marxism emerged in China before the industrial revolution .

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      • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

        During does not mean : because .There is no compelling relation between them .
        Besides : socialism/marxism emerged in China before the industrial revolution .
        The Industrial Revolution gave rise to the Robber Barons who amassed huge fortunes off the labor of the workers. This, in turn, caused widespread discontent among workers and gave impetus to the rise of socialism in may nations.

        Nothing happens in a vacuum. It is all interconnected at some level. In China's case, the peasants were oppressed and open to any replacement system that promised something better, just as happened in Russia during their revolution.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • Originally posted by Jutland View Post

          And yet socialism emerged during the early industrial age......
          Actually, it emerged quite late in the Industrial Age. From the 'official' start of it in 1750 (although it might go back by 50 + more years), through about 1890, Socialism didn't exist as a defined concept.



          Socialism didn't really take hold until 1919 after WW 1 ended. With the exception of some outliers and recent dictators and despots, Socialism in its most pure form, that of the government controlling most or all of the economy with a very large welfare state and extortion rate taxes on wealth, really died out in the late 1970's and into early 80's. By 1990 the longest practitioners, like Europe had backed away from most of economic Socialism reverting to Capitalism. The Soviet Union collapsed and Eastern Europe tossed off the shackles of Socialism enthusiastically. China moved from Communism to Statist Capitalism.
          What was left were the few holdouts and "true believers" like N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and most recently Venezuela. Nations like Mexico dropped Socialism as not working.

          Most of the issues with the early Industrial Revolution was the shift in social structures that took time for people to work out. Before the Industrial Revolution, about 90 to 95% of people lived in smaller rural towns and practiced agriculture. By the end of the Industrial Revolution (or Industrial Age would probably be more accurate), about 5% still farmed for a living. With the huge influx of people into urban settings and work in factories and offices, it created a social upheaval that completely changed society. Socialism was one means of attempting to "fix" the social problems brought by that change. It was pretty much a dismal failure.

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