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  • President Trump rightfully and honorably supports American workers

    Unfortunately I do not have my computer I have just bought a new one and waiting on it to arrive in the mail . I am typing this post on my phone.

    Recently President Trump has taken a stand for General Motors workers who at this point stand to lose 15,000 jobs across the country. Gm Bigwigs says it is cutting the jobs to pursue electric cars and self driving cars but the American people want neither.

    Various unions and American auto and steel workers Is what made our country become the strongest country in the world. American auto workers all over the country want to see the country as strong as it was during World War II and we have work to do to accomplish this.

    The hope at this point is that General Motors will do something to reverse this decision and keep the 15,000 jobs in America as well as bring in many more jobs to this country.

    So the message to GM is keep the 15,000 jobs and not only this but go ahead and add on a few hundred thousand more

    We can see that The United States can only prevail when the middle-class and upper class is Succesfull
    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

    George S Patton

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    Companies should be able to run their business how they please without government interference. What you're describing is just big government socialism. To suggest that a company has to hinder its future potential in order to better serve the community (at the demand of the government), essentially sacrificing dollars for an act of welfare, is socialism. This is why Trump is not a true republican. He's only a republican based on playing the opposite side of liberal identity politics.

    Government needs to stay out.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #3
      I listened to the news this evening, along with reading several other sources. The six plants involved mainly or entirely make passenger cars. They are closing because GM is moving, like Ford and Chrysler, to a product mix that minimizes passenger car production. People are buying fewer cars and more SUV, trucks, and "cross-overs" (whatever those are).
      I can see a major reason for this being that passenger cars are more heavily regulated in terms of emissions and safety than these other vehicles making them more expensive while less flexible.
      People want a vehicle that can do more and costs less. So, they aren't buying passenger cars. Thus, GM is phasing out production.

      I doubt that electric cars will ever amount to more than a niche market.

      As for self-driving cars, these are still a decade or two away from really going up market on a large scale. When they do, I predict that public transit will diminish and disappear from most cities in favor of a grid of automated vehicles run for profit by corporations. The sheer inefficiency of public transit will be its death kneel.

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        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        Companies should be able to run their business how they please without government interference. What you're describing is just big government socialism. To suggest that a company has to hinder its future potential in order to better serve the community (at the demand of the government), essentially sacrificing dollars for an act of welfare, is socialism. This is why Trump is not a true republican. He's only a republican based on playing the opposite side of liberal identity politics.

        Government needs to stay out.

        Yes companies in the United States should have freedom to a point. It would for example be an infringement of basic human rights for a employer to wrongfully terminate an employee. Not necessary saying that GM is wrongfully terminating their employees but the point is that employers and employees must be checked by a higher power.

        The United States was founded on the idea of a equality among man. Employers and employees are bound to the laws of this land.

        The country has great success when the auto companies and steel companies can provide many jobs to the people. Itís interesting that Henry Ford for example was able to attain massive profit he was richer than most if not all modern day billionaires. Ford also provided a huge number of great jobs to Americans of all backgrounds that is the American way and that is the foundation of the country.
        Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 26 Nov 18, 19:39.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          I listened to the news this evening, along with reading several other sources. The six plants involved mainly or entirely make passenger cars. They are closing because GM is moving, like Ford and Chrysler, to a product mix that minimizes passenger car production. People are buying fewer cars and more SUV, trucks, and "cross-overs" (whatever those are).
          I can see a major reason for this being that passenger cars are more heavily regulated in terms of emissions and safety than these other vehicles making them more expensive while less flexible.
          People want a vehicle that can do more and costs less. So, they aren't buying passenger cars. Thus, GM is phasing out production.

          I doubt that electric cars will ever amount to more than a niche market.

          As for self-driving cars, these are still a decade or two away from really going up market on a large scale. When they do, I predict that public transit will diminish and disappear from most cities in favor of a grid of automated vehicles run for profit by corporations. The sheer inefficiency of public transit will be its death kneel.
          If by passenger car you mean sedan the Ford focus , Toyota Camry and Hyandai Elantra are All examples of very popular sedans or passenger cars that have no reason to go away for many years to come.

          Self driving cars will be one huge changeup for auto transportation in United States. Would you be OK with getting in a self driving car? Mind you we are not talking about one of those automated rail lines which holds dozens in each train like they have in Las Vegas which can connect folks between numerous hotels along the strip. But imagine being on the thruway in a self driving car that is one heck of a changeup .
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            Companies should be able to run their business how they please without government interference. What you're describing is just big government socialism. To suggest that a company has to hinder its future potential in order to better serve the community (at the demand of the government), essentially sacrificing dollars for an act of welfare, is socialism. This is why Trump is not a true republican. He's only a republican based on playing the opposite side of liberal identity politics.

            Government needs to stay out.
            good post.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              I listened to the news this evening, along with reading several other sources. The six plants involved mainly or entirely make passenger cars. They are closing because GM is moving, like Ford and Chrysler, to a product mix that minimizes passenger car production. People are buying fewer cars and more SUV, trucks, and "cross-overs" (whatever those are).
              I can see a major reason for this being that passenger cars are more heavily regulated in terms of emissions and safety than these other vehicles making them more expensive while less flexible.
              People want a vehicle that can do more and costs less. So, they aren't buying passenger cars. Thus, GM is phasing out production.

              I doubt that electric cars will ever amount to more than a niche market.

              As for self-driving cars, these are still a decade or two away from really going up market on a large scale. When they do, I predict that public transit will diminish and disappear from most cities in favor of a grid of automated vehicles run for profit by corporations. The sheer inefficiency of public transit will be its death kneel.
              I wonder why they aren't retooling the plants instead of closing them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                Companies should be able to run their business how they please without government interference. What you're describing is just big government socialism. To suggest that a company has to hinder its future potential in order to better serve the community (at the demand of the government), essentially sacrificing dollars for an act of welfare, is socialism. This is why Trump is not a true republican. He's only a republican based on playing the opposite side of liberal identity politics.

                Government needs to stay out.
                Yeah..... That's a bad idea. Monopoly is not just the name of a game.

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                • #9
                  This one puts me in a bind. I agree with Tactikill J that companies should run their own business, without government intervention. But GMs strategy is bad for the middle class, and America runs on the Middle class.
                  "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                  "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                    If by passenger car you mean sedan the Ford focus , Toyota Camry and Hyandai Elantra are All examples of very popular sedans or passenger cars that have no reason to go away for many years to come.
                    Well, Ford is ending passenger car production...

                    https://hulq.com/blog/ford-killing-passenger-cars/

                    Self driving cars will be one huge changeup for auto transportation in United States. Would you be OK with getting in a self driving car? Mind you we are not talking about one of those automated rail lines which holds dozens in each train like they have in Las Vegas which can connect folks between numerous hotels along the strip. But imagine being on the thruway in a self driving car that is one heck of a changeup .
                    Yes, I'd be fine getting in a self-driving car. I think they'll be the end of public transit until a city gets somewhere around five to ten times more dense in the US than they are now. Fixed route public transit that you can't use with luggage, groceries, or other loads, running on a fixed schedule are so twentieth century. Even the use of self-driving cars for delivery services are already cropping up. Do your shopping on line and a vehicle delivers it to your house on your schedule.
                    Networked intelligent computer systems are the future.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by American87 View Post
                      This one puts me in a bind. I agree with Tactikill J that companies should run their own business, without government intervention. But GMs strategy is bad for the middle class, and America runs on the Middle class.
                      GM just needs to change what they make to adapt to the times. That's apparently what they're doing. Workers need to adapt too.

                      Remember, we're in a period of transition from the Industrial Age to the Electronics Age. Just as in the early Industrial Revolution, the Electronics Revolution is causing a social upheaval. In the Industrial Revolution it was the movement of people from rural, agricultural life to an urban, industrial one. Today we're having another such upheaval and until it's sorted out a lot of people's lives are going to be disrupted. That's what happens when technology dramatically changes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Freebird View Post

                        I wonder why they aren't retooling the plants instead of closing them.
                        My suspicion is that the plants are aged and updating them would be expensive. The plants are also all in Closed Shop states in the Rust Belt (except the Maryland one that is just Closed Shop). GM may be taking the opportunity to move the useful bits of these plants to Right to Work states in places that are on the rise like the Carolinas or Texas.

                        Switching from union to non-union labor might be the saving grace for GM and reemployment of many workers. Yes, they'll probably make less but their wages will be more in line with their productivity too.

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                        • #13
                          How many jobs will be lost if GM goes out of business? They need to do what's in the best interest of the company. The White House does not have a better grasp of the auto industry than they do.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                            Well, Ford is ending passenger car production...

                            https://hulq.com/blog/ford-killing-passenger-cars/



                            Yes, I'd be fine getting in a self-driving car. I think they'll be the end of public transit until a city gets somewhere around five to ten times more dense in the US than they are now. Fixed route public transit that you can't use with luggage, groceries, or other loads, running on a fixed schedule are so twentieth century. Even the use of self-driving cars for delivery services are already cropping up. Do your shopping on line and a vehicle delivers it to your house on your schedule.
                            Networked intelligent computer systems are the future.
                            Ford is continuing with two passenger cars The Mustang and a version of the Ford Focus. Ford still dominates with the F -150 Truck as well , itís seen all over the country.

                            I recall it was you who posted that super bowl commercial from GM or Chevy of that American guy from the movies praising driving a truck or some kind of American sports car. The point being that the steel and auto industry will be important For a long time to come and the USA should play a dominant role in those industries.


                            Self driving cars could arrive sooner or later but for it to be a majority might not occur in the future . The self driving cars are supposed to be perfect but there have Already been accidents.
                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #15
                              With the quality of drivers now, cell phone and texting, self driving would be an improvement. GM is moving, moving to China and Ford has a world wide market that has more models that F150's. Here Ford has several models of passenger cars and seem to be doing well.
                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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