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  • #46
    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    I think you have to define winning. Winning is not about a one off event. It is about an iterated game that people will keep playing but more importantly the proliferation of games so that there are many winners. The Chinese government does not have the developmental history to see the world as a iterated series of games with multiple winners. Communism is the delusion of a final game or the end of history. That this is a characteristic of all nationalistic states that are not liberal democracies should be self evident. Trump is proposing a set of iterative games that while competitive are not about a final victory. People will not play a game for long when there are cheaters or no chance of winning.
    Well, at the very least, we ought to be able to solve the problems from the OP. Bringing back industries critical to Defense would seem to be a goal worth attaining.

    Yes, good points, but there must be some way to make the Chinese see the light. It is as if they have taken a half-step into Captitalism, but are afraid to go all the way.
    "Why is the Rum gone?"

    -Captain Jack

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    • #47
      Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
      just one opinion to dispute that...
      http://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=1930
      Here is the quote in the article you cite, in context. Your source only gives you the part of the story that suits his purpose. The context is "when negotiations failed" not the trade embargo.

      ".... the Japanese [were] notorious for making an attack without warning." one asked how, when negotiations failed, "we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves." (Elting E. Morison, "Turmoil and Tradition, p. 525 )

      For additional context on the negotiations see pp. 245-257 of *Gerhard Weinberg's "A World At Arms: A Global History of WWII."

      "On the American side, the hope that some way of avoiding war with Japan could still be found encouraged the President and Secretary of State to meet time and time again with the Japanese ambassador." (p. 246)

      "It was their hope, furthermore, that the negotiations themselves might enable them to win enough time to rearm to an extent that eventually the Japanese would give up any new projects of new conquests altogether." (p. 246)

      *Gerhard Weinberg is one the most respected authorities on WWII. You may also wish to read his "Visions of Victory: The Hopes of Eight World War II Leaders" for more information about the Japanese side of this topic.

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