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  • #16
    In reference to post # 4

    Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

    This is a case of TDSR in the extreme.
    Oh, really?

    Dig this;

    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    WRONG, we well happily help solve the problem, which is TRUMP

    And what would you call that?
    It is total justification for my statement, and if you had been reading the posts you would know that.

    Its not even a very long thread....


    Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post
    The height of delusion is when a person believes, truly believes in their heart of hearts, that facts are unnecessary.
    Heal thyself, physician.

    You on the Left have a problem; your every waking thought and deed is dedicated to anti-Trump propaganda. You are incapable of seeing any possible good in anything he has ever done, and make excuses for anyone that happens to be opposed to him simply for the fact that they appear to be opposed.... so prepare for some massive traps ahead.
    That's how Project Veritas continues to reveal your hypocrisy.



    Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

    Please name a single trade war in modern times that had a clear winner. Provide source/s.
    To avoid the usual nonsense, such as shifting Goalposts and incredulity Fouls., how about some "clear" definitions from you? What is a Clear Victory? What is a source that you won't try to discredit in some way, are they the same media sources that are 99% negative in all coverage or Trump?
    What qualifies as a Trade war?
    (do you think I was born yesterday? )

    How about this; just a few months ago there was much gnashing of teeth and wailing from the rooftops about Trumps Tariff War with the EU.
    So, what happened there?
    • President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that he had secured concessions from Europe, averting a potential trade war.
    • The Dow Jones Industrial Average popped Wednesday afternoon, rising more than half a percent on the news.
    • The Europeans agreed to lower industrial tariffs and import more U.S. soybeans.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/trum...th-europe.html

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    • #17
      Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
      [*]President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that he had secured concessions from Europe, averting a potential trade war.[*]The Dow Jones Industrial Average popped Wednesday afternoon, rising more than half a percent on the news.
      ]
      The market ended down. Never count your chickens before they're hatched.

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      • #18
        Yes, well Junker and Malmström informed Trump that as an effect of the round of US tariffs already in place on China, European firms had started buying a larger share of the US soy bean production than before. Since China was buying the crop from Brazil, leaving US soy beans available on the market.

        It's how international trade moves. (No one is entirely sure whether Trump actually understood these things, or not.)

        Then Trump jumped on this fact with alarcity and, as said, "announced" that he had secured "a concession" from the EU.

        Considering the EU has no say in who buys US or Brazilian or whatever soy beans, it was the usual Trumpian wildly talking up a bit of nonsense.

        Not that the EU reps complained, since it meant Trump shelved his threats of tariffs on EU exports to the US. At least for the time being.

        New round of talks between Lightheizer and Malmström imminent. Don't expect this to end as smoothly, with Trump pulling something out of thin air to allow himself to claim he has "won" something, while not having to push ahead with that self-imposed millstone around his neck of a promised trade war with the EU.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
          You on the Left have a problem;
          I am not on the Left. I am a nice, well-behaved person who is in the Center +/-. That is to say I do my own thinking and do not blindly follow the Great Orange Twit like you or the Progressive Idiots (TDSL) on the Left.

          As a free-thinking man I see Trump as an existential threat to the continued well-being of our nation and possibly even the world. His followers (TDSR) are for the most part, mindless drones who hate the Left and anyone they perceive to be of that inclination.

          Similarly, as a person who thinks for himself, I see the far Left, Progressive Left, etc. (TDSL) as another threat to the well-being of our nation. The only reason you haven't seen me disagree with the TDSL bunch is that they are against Trump (enemy of my enemy is my friend). If they start with the Antifa BS or open borders, let me know and I will happily discuss their failures.

          Both extremes are dangerous.

          I sit here in the Center watching the two sides have at each other with increasing dismay, thinking there may no longer be a place for Moderates like me, a person who supports various things to the Left and Right of Center.










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          • #20
            Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

            I am not on the Left. I am a nice, well-behaved person who is in the Center +/-. That is to say I do my own thinking and do not blindly follow the Great Orange Twit like you or the Progressive Idiots (TDSL) on the Left.

            As a free-thinking man I see Trump as an existential threat to the continued well-being of our nation and possibly even the world. His followers (TDSR) are for the most part, mindless drones who hate the Left and anyone they perceive to be of that inclination.

            Similarly, as a person who thinks for himself, I see the far Left, Progressive Left, etc. (TDSL) as another threat to the well-being of our nation. The only reason you haven't seen me disagree with the TDSL bunch is that they are against Trump (enemy of my enemy is my friend). If they start with the Antifa BS or open borders, let me know and I will happily discuss their failures.

            Both extremes are dangerous.

            I sit here in the Center watching the two sides have at each other with increasing dismay, thinking there may no longer be a place for Moderates like me, a person who supports various things to the Left and Right of Center.









            You have a very high opinion of yourself. Those who see Trump as trying to fix some of America's growing list of severe problems are not "mindless drones", nor are they the millions of welfare lemming addicted to the Democrats, or the millions of illegals also addicted to the Democrats and their version of American Socialism.

            In today's America, there is no place for fence-straddlers "in the middle". If you aren't trying to be part of the solution, then your are part of the problem.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              You have a very high opinion of yourself.

              In today's America, there is no place for fence-straddlers "in the middle". If you aren't trying to be part of the solution, then your are part of the problem.

              1. Why? Because I know I am a nice, well-behaved person?

              2. Moderates like myself are the only real hope that our Republic will someday recover from the insanities of the extreme Right and extreme Left.
              Last edited by JustAGuy; 14 Nov 18, 15:58.

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              • #22
                Why a "Trade War" anyway ? In the end nobody wins
                "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                Samuel Johnson.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                  I am not on the Left. I am a nice, well-behaved person who is in the Center +/-. ...
                  I could call you a liar, but that would indicate that I care what you have to say about yourself. I do not.
                  What matters is the position you take in your posts, and they tell a very different story.


                  Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post
                  Both extremes are dangerous.
                  If you really thought so, you would make as many posts coming down on the Left as you do on the Right, and that ain't even close to being the case.... and a handful of sudden exceptions posted as a sort of disclaimer with added anti-Right points talked on won't help change that.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
                    Why a "Trade War" anyway ? In the end nobody wins
                    People go to war because the current situation is so intolerable that fighting is preferable to going along with the status quo, especially if going along means putting up with invasion and theft.
                    Have you ever heard of what China steals from us every day over the internet or via copyright infringement?

                    And if their tariffs are a dozen times what ours are, how the hell does balancing that out make us (or Trump) the bad guy?

                    Yeah, I know, everyone on the Left has to automatically attack anything and everything ever done or said by Trump, that's part of their mass hysteria... but why listen to the equivalent of millions of whining children who have never, and never will, have anything different to say?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                      People go to war because the current situation is so intolerable that fighting is preferable to going along with the status quo, especially if going along means putting up with invasion and theft.
                      Have you ever heard of what China steals from us every day over the internet or via copyright infringement?

                      And if their tariffs are a dozen times what ours are, how the hell does balancing that out make us (or Trump) the bad guy?

                      Yeah, I know, everyone on the Left has to automatically attack anything and everything ever done or said by Trump, that's part of their mass hysteria... but why listen to the equivalent of millions of whining children who have never, and never will, have anything different to say?
                      Sounds like a lot of whining on your part in this post.
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #26

                        Is Donald Trump right that China slaps a 25 percent tariff on American cars?

                        https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...cent-tariff-a/

                        Trump’s figures match up with international trade data. But economists raised some important details that Trump omitted from his tweet, which put his claim in a slightly different light.

                        China makes up a relatively small share of U.S. auto imports

                        For starters, China exports very few cars to the United States. China accounted for about 3 out of every 10,000 cars sold in the United States last year, according to Michael Hicks, the director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University.
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                          I could call you a liar, but that would indicate that I care what you have to say about yourself. I do not.
                          What matters is the position you take in your posts, and they tell a very different story.

                          If you really thought so, you would make as many posts coming down on the Left as you do on the Right, and that ain't even close to being the case.... and a handful of sudden exceptions posted as a sort of disclaimer with added anti-Right points talked on won't help change that.
                          The advantage of being a Moderate is I am not guided by extremest dogma the way you, a TDSR, and the TDSL's obviously leave me free to make up my own mind about what I post.

                          So far, the handful of TDSL's I've seen here have not said much of anything I do not find reasonable. For some reason, the TDSR's here are far less rational than what I see in the real world. That certainly contributes to the disparate treatment of the later you detected in my posts.




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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                            People go to war because the current situation is so intolerable that fighting is preferable to going along with the status quo, especially if going along means putting up with invasion and theft.
                            Have you ever heard of what China steals from us every day over the internet or via copyright infringement?

                            And if their tariffs are a dozen times what ours are, how the hell does balancing that out make us (or Trump) the bad guy?

                            Yeah, I know, everyone on the Left has to automatically attack anything and everything ever done or said by Trump, that's part of their mass hysteria... but why listen to the equivalent of millions of whining children who have never, and never will, have anything different to say?
                            Despite your hate for the TDSL and unwavering (dog-like) support for the Great Orange Twit, history informs us that nobody ever wins trade wars.

                            So yap away. In the end no one will win this ill-advised trade war, and the world economy will suffer for it.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                              I could call you a liar, but that would indicate that I care what you have to say about yourself. I do not.
                              What matters is the position you take in your posts, and they tell a very different story.




                              If you really thought so, you would make as many posts coming down on the Left as you do on the Right, and that ain't even close to being the case.... and a handful of sudden exceptions posted as a sort of disclaimer with added anti-Right points talked on won't help change that.
                              why would he come down on the left when Trump is currently intentionally driving the narrative. Barring some idiot occasionally doing something so so stupid or saying something like that the left is drowned out by Trumps tweets and stupid statements or just dumb ideas

                              Although Trump does get it right once in a blue moon. For example the Inter range missle treaty may be pointless.

                              btw why have 5000k troops on the border when they could be in Cali just saying

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                                Is Donald Trump right that China slaps a 25 percent tariff on American cars?


                                Trump’s figures match up with international trade data. But economists raised some important details that Trump omitted from his tweet, which put his claim in a slightly different light.

                                China makes up a relatively small share of U.S. auto imports
                                ...
                                So what? Taking one specific Trade item avoids the overall picture, but okay, lets get specific; OUR share of the Chinese market would be a hell of a lot bigger if it weren't for the huge tariffs.
                                Period.
                                And overall, their share of GDP covered by exports to the US is is still 6 times that figure going the other way. That's why you tie everything all together, to get a better deal overall.

                                Why is the Left so radically opposed to a better US economy just because Trump is the POTUS now?
                                Its not like anyone expected or believed that anything could get very good under Obama, and it didn't, and they told us so over and over "Those jobs ain't coming back" and so on...
                                Angst that the other guy is doing so much better, I suppose.

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