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  • #46
    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    Well gee and golly Jethro. No -hit. What do they have in common other than being one of the 57 states?
    Heinz ketchup. Rimshot

    My point -- which was inspired from your point -- is that like Finland, the Northeast US is a lot wetter than is California, and consequently not as prone to extreme wildfires as is the Golden State.
    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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    • #47
      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

      As does NYS -- but not nearly as big as California's, nor nearly as often.
      naw the minesota fires get as big but they are out on the lakes in BFE So never news worthy

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      • #48
        Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

        Yes I know. Like you I live in a very forested state and grew up in a logging community (Enumclaw).

        Making a long story shorter, the Native-Americans would regularly set fire to the underbrush to both reduce the risk of larger fire potential, but also to encourage fresh, green grass and scrub growth to provide food/fodder for the wildlife they would hunt. This was a practice on the East Coast, until European colonization become heavy, as well as in California(SW). When Spanish colonization arrived in California their cattle grazing on these lands also kept the fuel load low and revitalized the soil for new plant growth.

        "The Big Burn" of over a century ago, was the incentive to create the US Forestry Service and encourage more pro-active and quick response to forest/wild fires before they could grow. Once a fire reaches a certain size and energy load, the flame and heat becomes harder to contain or extinguish and the spread can start to become exponential. This where keeping the underbrush(fuel load) reduce, having firebreaks via selective clear cut bands, ample roads for access, and quick response can help to keep fire size and destruction at lower levels.

        California also has a regular weather phenomena know as the Santa Ana winds which occur every Fall, especially in Southern CA. Forest/wild fires at this season become extra hazards as these annual winds can speed their spread.

        The Big Burn;
        ...
        The Great Fire of 1910 (also commonly referred to as the Big Blowup, the Big Burn, or the Devil's Broom fire) was a wildfire in the western United States that burned three million acres (4,700 sq mi; 12,100 km2) in North Idaho and Western Montana, with extensions into Eastern Washington and Southeast British Columbia, in the summer of 1910.[1] The area burned included large parts of the Bitterroot, Cabinet, Clearwater, Coeur d'Alene, Flathead, Kaniksu, Kootenai, Lewis and Clark, Lolo, and St. Joe National Forests.

        The fire burned over two days, August 20–21, after strong winds caused numerous smaller fires to combine into a firestorm of unprecedented size. It killed 87 people,[2] mostly firefighters,[3][4] and destroyed numerous manmade structures, including several entire towns. It is believed to be the largest, although not the deadliest, forest fire in U.S. history.[5] The extensive burned area was approximately the size of the state of Connecticut.

        In the aftermath of the fire, the U.S. Forest Service received considerable recognition for its firefighting efforts. The outcome was to highlight firefighters as public heroes while raising public awareness of national nature conservation. The fire is often considered a significant impetus in the development of early wildfire prevention and suppression strategies.
        ....
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_1910

        See also;
        https://foresthistory.org/research-e...he-1910-fires/

        https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE...rdb5444731.pdf

        https://www.nationalforests.org/our-...and-its-legacy

        Here's a book I'd recommend, which I read a few years ago;
        The Big Burn: Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America Paperback – September 7, 2010



        by Timothy Egan

        https://www.amazon.com/Big-Burn-Tedd.../dp/0547394608

        The wife and I drive through this area every year about Easter time as we make a long weekend trip to see kids and grandkids as far as Kalispell, Montana.
        btw I do recommed the above reading list to those who do not know much about wildland fire.

        also David you should start to see some of my work hitting the ground in the state in the next year or two

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        • #49
          Not familiar with your work. PM or email me if inclined.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Ironically, about 60% of the forests in California are under federal jurisdiction. Stupid and ignorant are a dangerous combination, and Trump possesses both in abundance.
            Did you forget to mention vindictive & narcissistic? Lol

            There may be some merit to the idea that forest management could be improved, but spewing that on Twitter after dozens (hundreds) have died is appallingly disrespectful.

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            • #51
              Does that still need to be said after two years. Left or Right he is a disturbed personality
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                Does that still need to be said after two years. Left or Right he is a disturbed personality
                Yup, by any reasonable standard the Great Orange Twit is unstable.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Freebird View Post

                  Did you forget to mention vindictive & narcissistic? Lol

                  There may be some merit to the idea that forest management could be improved, but spewing that on Twitter after dozens (hundreds) have died is appallingly disrespectful.
                  Federal mismanagement of forest land has been ongoing for decades. These deaths need not have happened had those lands been properly managed.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                    Federal mismanagement of forest land has been ongoing for decades. These deaths need not have happened had those lands been properly managed.
                    So let's cut back on the fund to the BLM and the Interior Department.

                    Great plan.
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                      Federal mismanagement of forest land has been ongoing for decades. These deaths need not have happened had those lands been properly managed.
                      I have a feeling that the death toll could be disturbingly high, after a week there are still 600 people missing, you'd think they would have been located by now if they are still alive.

                      I imagine we will find out quite a bit about the causes, but even better management might not help in a bone dry forest.

                      in any event, an ill informed Twitter tirade threatening to cut off funds (not even sure if Prez can block that) a couple days after dozens (hundreds) of people died is inappropriate

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                      • #56
                        If forest management is ineffective and misapplied, what will more funding achieve ?

                        Native Americans Reveal Their Secrets To Preventing Forest Fires And More
                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/adambar.../#5e6a82df7788

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          If forest management is ineffective and misapplied, what will more funding achieve ?

                          Native Americans Reveal Their Secrets To Preventing Forest Fires And More
                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/adambar.../#5e6a82df7788
                          The US Forest Service uses prescribed burns as often as weather, temps, humidity, manpower, and funding allow. More funding would result in more prescribed burns, forest thinning projects, physical removal of debris. Trump is an idiot, as are those who listen to his profoundly ignorant pronouncements about forest management.

                          (It has never been a secret that native peoples used fire for a variety of reasons. Your author used that as a hook to get more clicks.)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                            The US Forest Service uses prescribed burns as often as weather, temps, humidity, manpower, and funding allow. More funding would result in more prescribed burns, forest thinning projects, physical removal of debris. Trump is an idiot, as are those who listen to his profoundly ignorant pronouncements about forest management.

                            (It has never been a secret that native peoples used fire for a variety of reasons. Your author used that as a hook to get more clicks.)
                            The idiots are those whom think these are another sign of ACC/AGW.

                            If optimal thinning and clearing were happening, these would be as frequent or severe. Nor does such have to be via guv'mint funding. Lifting restrictions on commercial logging and encouraging banded cutting would be one of many solutions.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                              The idiots are those whom think these are another sign of ACC/AGW.

                              If optimal thinning and clearing were happening, these would be as frequent or severe. Nor does such have to be via guv'mint funding. Lifting restrictions on commercial logging and encouraging banded cutting would be one of many solutions.
                              This is what commercial logging leaves behind. Does it look like it will prevent a wildfire?



                              You so funny......
                              Last edited by JustAGuy; 26 Nov 18, 19:35.

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                              • #60
                                Is funny a eufemism for say someone doesn't know what they are talking about?
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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