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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Maybe that under-representation has more to do with their political positions than the drawing of voting districts...

    Did you bother to read your link?

    The moron says this:



    What the hell does the overall, national vote have to do with representation in the House? The absurdity of that statement is found in any voting district where the Democrats won by a wide margin of say 10% + If that occurred repeatedly in House races they end up with a higher voting percentage over all and fewer seats since they are under-representation is now clearly a fault of not having wider popularity but very high popularity in a relatively few races.

    He then doubles down on this idiocy with:



    House races are not statewide ones. So the overall state vote doesn't matter either. This again is conflating the idea on the Left that all political offices should be on a straight popular vote, preferably one the Democrats are sure to win.

    Basically, his "statistics" are wrong entirely, that makes his premise and conclusions wrong too.
    You are talking about people who believe that the tendency of democracies to vote for redistribution of wealth is not a problem. That refuses to acknowledge that democracy itself is a tyranny of the majority. Who do not believe in the electoral college or other constitutional provisions that counter act the negative consequences of democracy.

    The fundamental argument against democratic socialism is that power corrupts. Increasing the power of the state even democratically will over time lead to more and more corruption as power not only corrupts but it tends to concentrate over time.

    The creation of political subdivisions is a form of distribution of power that fights against the negative tendency of democracy to abuse the minority. Unfortunately the same process encourages people to vote with their feet resulting in pockets of political isolation. The problem is not so much gerrymandering as a society that is no longer integrated into mixed communities. The failure of intercities is largely a result of middle class flight not political representation. Massive amounts of wealth redistribution has failed to alleviate many of the problems because they are cultural not political or economic. The Democrat ran cities are a lesson in the failure of democracy.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party (media) will minimize the fraud, just watch.
      Who would the propaganda arm be? Occupy Democrats or Patribotics? I wouldn't be so paranoid, those online blogs have literally no one going to view the content. Now, we can talk about Infowars, breitbart, daily caller, federalist, conservative tree house, etc etc etc. Millions of millions of republican voters rely on these far-right propaganda mills for information. Whereas, maybe 50k people visit the far left outlets.

      You'll learn soon enough that republican operatives are lying to you about media so they can keep you from hearing information they don't want you to hear.

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      • #18
        Of course it's a "tyranny of the majority". Somebody has to make decisions and run things, and a majority decision is better than no decision at all, or a totally fragmented effort. Without at least minimal authority and guidance the nation would either be an anarchy or a commune. We'd look and act like a bunch of chickens running around loose.

        However, we allow many minority groups to opt out of major decisions, which isn't really how a "tyranny" works. What we actually have today is control being handed to every single special interest group in existence at the expense of everyone else.

        That's "tyranny..." of the minority.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Of course it's a "tyranny of the majority". Somebody has to make decisions and run things, and a majority decision is better than no decision at all, or a totally fragmented effort. Without at least minimal authority and guidance the nation would either be an anarchy or a commune. We'd look and act like a bunch of chickens running around loose.

          However, we allow many minority groups to opt out of major decisions, which isn't really how a "tyranny" works. What we actually have today is control being handed to every single special interest group in existence at the expense of everyone else.

          That's "tyranny..." of the minority.
          Our representative from of government was carefully crafted to avoid the pitfalls of democracy. It's the quality of representation not the system that is at fault. The increase in democracy over time could be argued to be the cause of the poor quality of representation. Certainly increased democracy did not prevent a bureaucratic and political elite from forming it just assured that the elite would be drawn from a different demographic.

          I'm not naive enough to think that representative government alone is the solution. If it were the party system in the Soviet Union would have been less dysfunctional. It only works with a weak central government. Once local government abdicated their responsibility to the federal government the system became unworkable.

          It is of course a chicken and egg problem because irresponsible local government lead to a stronger central government in a positive feedback loop.

          ​​​​​​​More later
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          • #20
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

            Our representative from of government was carefully crafted to avoid the pitfalls of democracy. It's the quality of representation not the system that is at fault. The increase in democracy over time could be argued to be the cause of the poor quality of representation. Certainly increased democracy did not prevent a bureaucratic and political elite from forming it just assured that the elite would be drawn from a different demographic.

            I'm not naive enough to think that representative government alone is the solution. If it were the party system in the Soviet Union would have been less dysfunctional. It only works with a weak central government. Once local government abdicated their responsibility to the federal government the system became unworkable.

            It is of course a chicken and egg problem because irresponsible local government lead to a stronger central government in a positive feedback loop.

            ​​​​​​​More later
            Our "representative" government disappeared somewhere around the time of WWI when a sitting president ignored the will of the people and his own public promises and took us to war. We have been an autocratic oligarchy since at least the end of WWII, and they serve the rich, the powerful and the minority interests against the will of the majority.

            Today, the words "political representative" represent one of the greatest oxymorons in the history of American government.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              The concentration of poverty and wealth in separate enclaves, while natural, is perhaps the number one reason that a society based on community is no longer possible. If the poor being in the majority vote their self interest the other classes will have little say in government. If the upper classes are physically isolated from the poor their political choices will negatively impact the isolated poor. If they lived together they would at least have a shared interest in the well-being of the community.

              The framers of the constitution were not ignorant of the short comings of democracy in Athens or the bread and circus of Rome. State rights and limited democracy were supposed to address some of the issues. State rights ended with the civil war and limited democracy was unpalatable to a people who had rejected the class systems of Europe. Bread and circus was an unavoidable consequence of universal suffrage. The industrial revolution, the civil war, the great depression and two world wars ended any hope for a weak central government. Fiat currency ended any hope for fiscal responsibility.

              Now that we have a diagnosis we need a cure.

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              • #22
                Back to the OP I'm old enough to remember the "democratic machine" in Chicago. Those memories tend to make you cynical.

                What we haven't talked about is voter intimidation, especially in the south, that horrible historical experience has justifiably left a bad taste in many peoples mouth for any attempt to clean up voter rolls and other measures to prevent fraud. Sins of our fathers are definitely effecting our political system. At some point we will just have to move on.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                  lol.
                  Exactly the reaction you have to expect from "Democrats" who will tear down the Democratic process is their mad quest for Power.


                  https://www.abc15.com/news/national/...-investigation

                  Florida governor claims election fraud, orders law enforcement investigation


                  Republican Speaker-Designate Jose Oliva backed Scott's decision.

                  "Voter confidence in the sanctity of the ballot box is a cornerstone of our Republic," Oliva said in a statement. "Palm Beach county, as well as Brenda Snipes and Broward county’s ‘discovery’ of tens of thousands of allegedly valid, uncounted ballots is disturbing to say the least."


                  And here's why; EVERY other district had a vote total number and stopped hauling trucks full of weird ballots in within hours of the closing of the polls last Tuesday..... except for those mentioned above where Repubs had won SENATE seats be relatively slim margins.
                  They won.
                  And now the tricksters are changing the results by stuffing the ballot boxes right in front of us.

                  If you "lol" at that, you are a Fascist. You are evil, You are anti-American and you must be stopped.
                  Last edited by The Exorcist; 10 Nov 18, 23:11.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                    Exactly the reaction you have to expect from "Democrats" who will tear down the Democratic process is their mad quest for Power.

                    And Arizona is being defrauded too-

                    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ud/1942637002/
                    Actually, no. The process that was taken to court mostly helps the Republicans with rural voting districts and counties as these did a different procedure than the metro ones. On the whole, so far, the process has been very fair and there is every attempt to count the votes accurately. But, given the closeness of the race, a recount is almost assured.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Actually, no. The process that was taken to court mostly helps the Republicans with rural voting districts and counties as these did a different procedure than the metro ones. On the whole, so far, the process has been very fair and there is every attempt to count the votes accurately. But, given the closeness of the race, a recount is almost assured.
                      My mistake then, I'll take the word of the guy who lives there.

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                      • #26
                        The same way the SNP have stolen elections in Scotland by the dirty, underhand tactic of persuading people to vote for them and then fulfilling election promises ?
                        Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                        • #27
                          Unfortunately many of the SNP promises keep will have negative long term consequences.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                            Who would the propaganda arm be?

                            ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, MSN, WAPO, NYT, LAT.
                            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Just another day in Venezuela North...
                              NAILED IT ... EXACTLY !!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Tsar View Post


                                ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, MSN, WAPO, NYT, LAT.

                                NAILED IT ... EXACTLY !!!

                                These are all part of the communist propaganda machine. All of them are leftist/liberal-owned.
                                Last edited by GRA; 11 Nov 18, 14:41.

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