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  • slick_miester
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    I worked a chicken "farm" one summer when I was in high school. Worst summer of my life. It was a big building that housed about half a million birds. Environmental conditions were controlled to stimulate egg production. The birds were restricted to cages about the size of a suburban mailbox. Hens pumped out one egg a day. I can't see how banning that type of farming won't cause prices to increase to the point that eggs will be un-affordable. There are other issues in play, as well.

    The new legislation for laying hens in the European Union put a ban on conventional cages. Production systems must now provide the hens with access to a nest, a perch, and material for dust bathing. These requirements will improve the behavioral aspects of animal welfare. However, when hens are kept with access to litter, it is a concern that polluted air may become an increased threat to health and therefore also a welfare problem. This article reviews the literature regarding the health and welfare effects birds experience when exposed to barn dust. Dust is composed of inorganic and organic compounds, from the birds themselves as well as from feed, litter, and building materials. Dust may be a vector for microorganisms and toxins. In general, studies indicate that housing systems where laying hens have access to litter as aviaries and floor systems consistently have higher concentrations of suspended dust than caged hens with little (furnished cages) or no access to litter (conventional cages). The higher dust levels in aviaries and floor housing are also caused by increased bird activity in the non-cage systems. . . . .

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4598690/
    California's proposal strikes me as bad all the way around.

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  • Half Pint John
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    You, Northern AZ NAZ is like CO. CO just elected a GAY governor.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    Governor of NAZ in a GAY? Must make MM gay ah happy
    I tried to several gibberish translation programs to make sense of that but no luck...

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  • Half Pint John
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    Governor of NAZ in a GAY? Must make MM gay ah happy
    36. Arizona

    • 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +1.6% (18th largest increase)
    • 2017 GDP: $277.7 billion (21st largest)
    • June 2018 Unemployment: 4.7% (tied -- 4th highest)
    • 5 yr. annual employment growth: +2.0% (10th largest increase)
    8. California

    • 5 yr. GDP annual growth rate: +2.9% (2nd largest increase)
    • 2017 GDP: $2.4 trillion (the largest)
    • June 2018 Unemployment: 4.2% (tied -- 18th highest)
    • 5 yr. annual employment growth: +2.2% (8th largest increase)

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    and the kids say "Grandpa, I wish we were,t related.

    and where in AZ are there green fields like this.

    IF your AZ is such a great place why is you GDP so fare down from CA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

    CA #8 and you glorious AZ is 44th, can get much lower.
    Actually, in comparison of US states, California performs much worse than Arizona.

    Yes, California is #1 in population and GDP (39,776,830-- $2,746,873 millions) versus Arizona being #14 in pop and #21 in GDP (7,530,552 -- $319,850 millions)

    But, when you divide population by GDP to get the GDP per person in the state.... Arizona gets $23.54 versus California's $14.48. That is, Arizona is nearly TWICE as productive as California. No wonder... Between massive regulations, high taxes, and a large population on welfare, California isn't very productive for its massive size.

    California is the fail here.

    The northern half of Arizona is more like Colorado too:

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  • JustAGuy
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"
    So do I.

    But common sense tells us that the humane treatment of food animals is a good thing to do.

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"
    You sound disconnected.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"
    and the kids say "Grandpa, I wish we were,t related.

    and where in AZ are there green fields like this.

    IF your AZ is such a great place why is you GDP so fare down from CA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

    CA #8 and you glorious AZ is 44th, can get much lower.

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  • Paddybhoy
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"
    Look no cages either!!!

    Dumb dumb dumb.....

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"
    I saw a bullfight in Spain once. It turned me off red meat for a month. Itís like taking candy from a baby.

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  • wolfhnd
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    California is no state for poor people. High energy, housing, food, and transportation costs. These kinds of things have very little effect on the liberals that introduce them because they can easily afford the additional cost, the necessities of life being a relatively small percentage of their income. If you are buying organic food you are in the 1 percent of the world's population that can afford such luxuries.

    I'm all for the humane treatment of farm animals but believe that the market is a preferably way to get there. That may mean that segments of the population will not be able to afford some items but the market may find solutions or alternatives over time. What effect top down imposition of values will have on the poor's nutrition is hard to say but it isn't an inconsequential question.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

    Why is the more humane treatment of food animals insane?
    Farm animals are food not friends. That's why. Oh, let's treat these animals as if they were pets... and then we'll slaughter them! This is stupidity by people who think that the food in a grocery store just magically appears there out of thin air.

    When I drive by a scene like this:



    I tell the grandkids, "Look! Hamburgers!"

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  • JustAGuy
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    California has passed a law requiring all egg production be "cage free" by 2025. The law also requires specific larger cage sizes for calves and pigs.


    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...gs-a-state-law

    Want to bet more farmers move out of California...
    Why is the more humane treatment of food animals insane?

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  • Karri
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    Why is it insanity?

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  • Tuebor
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    So does the law prohibit the importation of eggs from other states (or Mexico)?

    Tuebor

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