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  • Caravan organizers revealed

    It's been asked "Who is organizing these caravans." Well, here's the answer.

    It's the extremist, radical, Leftist group with ties to international anarchists and Communists, Pueblo sin Fronteras.

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/l...grant-caravan/

    Here's their homepage. It's rather thin as you have to have a login to get to the juicy stuff. They're rather secretive that way-- Likely because they're doing all sorts of legally questionable stuff and are tied to groups that the government tracks as terrorists.

    http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/
    This article details one of the main organizers of the caravans with the above radical Leftist group.


    https://www.lifezette.com/2018/10/me...sin-fronteras/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...-s-ire-n862566
    Pueblo sin Fronteras is another one of those California radical Leftist groups that's for open borders, sympathetic to the idea of the reconquesta and formation of Aztlan, and all the usual nutter stuff of the extreme Left.



    They are loosely tied to La Raza, MEChA, and the International Solidarity Network (Communist anarchists). On some of their fliers on their site they also use the "black hand" of EME (the Mexican Mafia).

    Here's a sample of their graffiti. Note the Antifa red circle with three arrows in it, and the red and black of the anarchist movement. That's in Guatemala...




    Some of those with this movement:



    A PSF protest in California:



    A PSF photo of some of one caravan's members in Tapachula Chipas state Mexico. Yea, like these people want asylum with their fists in the air...



    Another group of caravaners PSF photographed. Note the black hand symbol on the left hand poster. That's PSF. Again, these people aren't seeking genuine asylum.



    So, the whole "They're coming here for asylum is a bunch of BS. They're coming because radical, Leftist, Communist organizers are getting them here. I say at this point they should be turned away in totality. The few that might genuinely qualify for asylum can't be easily, or credibly sorted from the mass of posers and liars among these caravans who are coming because some Leftist radicals got them to. The sign says "Everyone's in the fight. We are here and we're not going away. If they throw us out, we will return."
    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 05 Nov 18, 18:01.

  • #2
    Maybe, just maybe, using photos from a Neo-Nazi website to illustrate your point is sending the wrong message about your political leanings.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post
      Maybe, just maybe, using photos from a Neo-Nazi website to illustrate your point is sending the wrong message about your political leanings.
      The photos speak for themselves. You are using a logical fallacy in the form of an ad hominem. You are attacking the source rather than the content. Maybe you should explain how anyone in their right mind would want a horde of people being organized and led for all intents by radical, anarchist, Communists, who want nothing short of the destruction of the United States as it exists.

      Aside from that, which photo is from a Neo-Nazi website? Could you point this out to me?

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      • #4
        The Honduran government has arrested Cuban nationals in the groups of migrants.

        Where is the media?
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #5
          Pueblo sin Frontera has even made these caravans an annual ritual, calling them "
          Viacrucis del Migrante"
          or migrant pilgrimages and has been doing so since 2010. They are getting better at arranging those who participate to maximize sympathy for the participants. This is why the number of women and children are increasing. It has ZERO to do with asylum, and everything to do with the Reconquista.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            The photos speak for themselves. You are using a logical fallacy in the form of an ad hominem. You are attacking the source rather than the content. Maybe you should explain how anyone in their right mind would want a horde of people being organized and led for all intents by radical, anarchist, Communists, who want nothing short of the destruction of the United States as it exists.

            Aside from that, which photo is from a Neo-Nazi website? Could you point this out to me?
            The source of any information is subject to critical analysis. https://dailystormer.name/wp-content...1718483346.jpg

            Lord, I felt dirty for just following the link to the photo. Neo-Nazis are horrible people filled with fear, loathing, and hatred. It was Nazis who gave the world the Holocaust, and these clowns are following in their footsteps.

            So the question is: Why on earth would you use one of their websites as a source? You are not helping your argument by relying on a Neo-Nazi website as a source for content.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              The Honduran government has arrested Cuban nationals in the groups of migrants.

              Where is the media?
              I am all for not letting any of them into the country without proper vetting re: amnesty. Let Mexico take care of them while US authorities vet them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                The source of any information is subject to critical analysis. https://dailystormer.name/wp-content...1718483346.jpg

                Lord, I felt dirty for just following the link to the photo. Neo-Nazis are horrible people filled with fear, loathing, and hatred. It was Nazis who gave the world the Holocaust, and these clowns are following in their footsteps.

                So the question is: Why on earth would you use one of their websites as a source? You are not helping your argument by relying on a Neo-Nazi website as a source for content.
                Because the photo is very telling. The people in it are holding signs saying that they're going to enter the US and that US authorities won't stop them. Further, that they are in solidarity with the radical Communist Left. This is hardly the sort of person anyone in the US other than an anti-government radical wanting anarchy would want to allow in the country under any circumstances.

                I do apologize for the source, but the photo does speak volumes about the people who are organizing these caravans and their intended purpose.

                Hell, I think Mexico is insane for letting them pass through their territory. They have enough problems in Southern Mexico with radical Leftist Communists like the Zapatistas.

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                • #9
                  I'm with Jordan Peterson, I no more want to associate with a communist than a Nazi. People have been deluded into thinking that racism is the source of all evil. There is a strange dystopian effect that is caused by the obsession with race. The same people that seem opposed to free speech are enabling the kind of human suffering that goes on in places like Venezuela by refusing to report on it. The only antidote to that human suffer is the truth that will be found in educating people on what happened in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela, and what is about to happen in the socialist paradize of California. Race will not seem so important when civilization starts to collapse. As to indigenous people their populations and living standards have exploded around the world as capitalism has spread. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union absolute poverty has been halved in the world. Especially places like india that have embraced capitalism and liberal democracy suffering has precipitously declined.

                  Marxism is nothing if it is not the mental colonization of countries south of the U.S. border with a Western European religion. The irony here is that these people moving towards the U.S. by their own logic should be fleeing to Venezuela not to the U.S.
                  We hunt the hunters

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                  • #10
                    Discover the Networks details the history of PSF, including how it's founders and leadership are out-and-out Communists.

                    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...sin-fronteras/

                    There is no reason we should let ONE person in that caravan into the US. Not one reason.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                      I'm with Jordan Peterson, I no more want to associate with a communist than a Nazi.
                      Peterson is a brilliant man. I am a fan.

                      I can see myself being OK with a run of the mill communist as long as he/she is not given to hate speech, etc. Why? I believe our republic is strong enough to handle people who hold values that are fundamentally anti-democratic. Nazis on the other hand are just pure evil. That said I believe in their right to speak their filth and hatred. So I guess I am saying the republic is strong enough to handle Nazis as well.



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                        Peterson is a brilliant man. I am a fan.

                        I can see myself being OK with a run of the mill communist as long as he/she is not given to hate speech, etc. Why? I believe our republic is strong enough to handle people who hold values that are fundamentally anti-democratic. Nazis on the other hand are just pure evil. That said I believe in their right to speak their filth and hatred. So I guess I am saying the republic is strong enough to handle Nazis as well.
                        I'm the reverse. I'd rather deal with Nazis any day of the week than hard core Communists. Nazis are just knuckleheads. They're not particularly bright, and they're mostly violent to each other. I know, I've had to deal with them in past employment.
                        Communists on the other hand are insidious. They are the sort that work actively to get into positions of power and use that power to subvert the organization, system, whatever that's in place. They're the sort that act like your friend and get voted in as the union local president. Then they go on a power binge attacking management at every turn. They want to call strikes. Doesn't matter if you go bankrupt. Doesn't matter if your family starves. All the Communist wants is more power... and he's not the one that will starve or be ruined. He'll loot the union treasury to enrich himself.

                        Nazis I can deal with. Communists need to be shot. Look at history. Nazis killed maybe 6 to 8 million, 10 on the outside. Communists have killed over 100 million by some estimates. They've destroyed dozens of nations. The Nazis destroyed one. Who's worse?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                          I'm the reverse. I'd rather deal with Nazis any day of the week than hard core Communists. Nazis are just knuckleheads. They're not particularly bright, and they're mostly violent to each other. I know, I've had to deal with them in past employment.
                          Communists on the other hand are insidious. They are the sort that work actively to get into positions of power and use that power to subvert the organization, system, whatever that's in place. They're the sort that act like your friend and get voted in as the union local president. Then they go on a power binge attacking management at every turn. They want to call strikes. Doesn't matter if you go bankrupt. Doesn't matter if your family starves. All the Communist wants is more power... and he's not the one that will starve or be ruined. He'll loot the union treasury to enrich himself.

                          Nazis I can deal with. Communists need to be shot. Look at history. Nazis killed maybe 6 to 8 million, 10 on the outside. Communists have killed over 100 million by some estimates. They've destroyed dozens of nations. The Nazis destroyed one. Who's worse?
                          Explains why you rush to their defense every time a Nazi kills someone. Not racist though.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            The root of the evil here is the people that hire illegal aliens, buy drugs, finance these caravans and risk the live of innocent people for propaganda. If people in the U.S. would stop doing these things and stop vacationing in Mexico Mexico would be motivated to do something about some of the problems. Things are so bad in Mexico that the police are often the enforcers for the Cartels. The U.S. media is complicit in the horror show by not reporting on the real problems and not investigating how U.S. intelligence organizations cooperate with the Cartels. It is simply not credible that we can stop terrorists but we can't stop the Cartels from operating in the U.S. I suspect there is a great deal of corruption similar to what went on during prohibition.
                            We hunt the hunters

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              Explains why you rush to their defense every time a Nazi kills someone. Not racist though.
                              I don't defend them. I just say they individually are more violent than Leftists are, but the Left is far more dangerous on the whole. A neo-Nazi acting on his own kills say 10 people. A mass Leftist mob riots at a G20 meeting and causes $50 million in damage to a city, costs another $50 million in law enforcement overtime to deal with them, and injures dozens of people, some requiring serious hospitalization, and causes the loss of say another $10 million in commerce losses. Thousands of people are effected in their jobs, and daily life. Businesses are destroyed or damaged. Personal property losses seriously impact lots of individuals.

                              Which is worse? Society can deal with a dangerous criminal. Society can't afford to let the mob win, that will be the end of society.

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