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  • #46
    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

    I know they didn't. That was my point. An analysis of Trump supporters would be incapable of "revealing five key traits" because the group under study is too large to have ANY universal social traits.

    But I'm glad you finally admitted that.
    Those are common traits among them, not universal traits. That should have been evident from the start, not sure why this was so confusing for you.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      The smoothbore musket was not an assault rifle. And it wasn't a rifle either. And during the Revolution militia showed up without the required arms and ammunition and had to be supplied from Continental stores and too many times when they left they took it with them instead of turning it back in.
      ...
      The Swiss came up with a good solution to all that.

      Yes, the smoothbore musket was the equivalent of what is commonly called an Assault Rifle today.... which is also not a Rifle in the strictest sense of the word.

      The Musket was quicker to reload than any other firearm of it's age, the deadliest mid-range weapon of it's age. It was a MILITARY-grade weapon, and continued to be well into the 1800s. RIFLES were so slow to re-load that the units using it required the protection of Musket-armed units in a set-piece battle.
      If anything, it was the long-barreled rifles with their delicates stocks and banded balls that were out of place in an army.
      "Why is the Rum gone?"

      -Captain Jack

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      • #48
        not a Rifle in the strictest sense of the word.
        In the strictest sense , Bull

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle

        are they rifled? That is were the name comes from.

        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

          The Swiss came up with a good solution to all that.

          Yes, the smoothbore musket was the equivalent of what is commonly called an Assault Rifle today.... which is also not a Rifle in the strictest sense of the word.

          The Musket was quicker to reload than any other firearm of it's age, the deadliest mid-range weapon of it's age. It was a MILITARY-grade weapon, and continued to be well into the 1800s. RIFLES were so slow to re-load that the units using it required the protection of Musket-armed units in a set-piece battle.
          If anything, it was the long-barreled rifles with their delicates stocks and banded balls that were out of place in an army.
          Smooth bore musket and assault rifle? Hardly. The fastest rate of fire possible was six rounds per minute by highly trained troops, and almost impossible to maintain in the midst of battle.

          By comparing a musket to a rifle, you do them both a great disservice. The weapons were designed for entirely different purposes - the musket was specifically to be cheaply mass manufactured and used by uneducated troops who learned to fire by rote discipline of the most severe kind so that they could keep firing in the midst of total carnage. Most of their shots were not even aimed in the heat of battle because they could not see through the thick powder smoke, and the longer they fired the more degraded the accuracy became due to fouling of the barrels.

          The rifle was specifically designed to b a longer ranged weapon in the hands of specially trained troops, who usually fought ahead of formations as advanced scouts and snipers, picking off officers and other targets of opportunity.

          By the logic you employed, the M1 Garand was also an "assault rifle" because it could fire 8 rounds before needing to reload as opposed to the bolt actions used by many other armies, but having carried a Garand myself, I can assure that it was anything but an "assault rifle". That didn't reach us until the M14 with the selector switch and the twenty round mag appeared. That was an "assault rifle", and a very good one, too.

          The whole purpose of assault weapons is to make up for degraded marksmanship under the "spray and pray" philosophy that dominated the American Army and others after WWII and Viet Nam, and that interestingly enough, is a return to massed volley fire. If you can't hit the enemy with an aimed round, just fill the air with masses of lead and hope for the best. Might as well issue self-reloading muskets.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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