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  • Why should the US keep the "caravan" out?

    ? Or why should we let them in?
    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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    A big chunk of these caravans are males roughly 16 to 35 in age. One look at photos shows this clearly:



    There's little doubt they are similar in profile to previous males in this age range that have illegally entered the US. That being, they are semi-literate to illiterate having less than an 8th grade education, and in most cases less than a 6th grade one. They have no particular job skills or training.
    They are not fleeing any sort of political repression or anything else that would justify giving them asylum.

    Many are petty criminals. Some have health problems, including contagious diseases like TB.

    They have no money to speak of, no job prospects, and basically no reason to be in the US. Many, if admitted, will turn to low grade crime to get by as have those that have gone before them.

    So, that eliminates something like two thirds of the caravan right off. The other third are families and women with children. Another bunch the US really doesn't need to admit. Like the men above, these people are unskilled, and barely literate. Why on earth would we take them just so they could end up on public assistance?

    On top of that, if we take this bunch, more will come. Where does the influx of illegals end? If we're going to do nothing about them, then why bother with legal immigration at all? That ends up at the Left's desire for open borders and internationalism.

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    • #3
      Sounds like most Trump supports with their TDS

      There's little doubt they are similar in profile to previous males in this age range that have illegally entered the US. That being, they are semi-literate to illiterate having less than an 8th grade education, and in most cases less than a 6th grade one. They have no particular job skills or training.
      Seriously why, they are illegal. No other reason is needed imo.
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        With about 900 miles to go to the US border it will be interesting to see how many actually reach the US. And they are not illegal until they enter, or attempt to enter, the US illegally. The 'caravan' has reportedly shrunken already to between 3500 and 5000 from the original estimate of 7000.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          With about 900 miles to go to the US border it will be interesting to see how many actually reach the US. And they are not illegal until they enter, or attempt to enter, the US illegally. The 'caravan' has reportedly shrunken already to between 3500 and 5000 from the original estimate of 7000.
          No, they are coming to break the law, that is criminal intent. If it were up to me, I would have them pay off the US government whatever expenses they have caused by their actions.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            With about 900 miles to go to the US border it will be interesting to see how many actually reach the US. And they are not illegal until they enter, or attempt to enter, the US illegally. The 'caravan' has reportedly shrunken already to between 3500 and 5000 from the original estimate of 7000.
            Are they legally in Mexico?
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

              Are they legally in Mexico?
              That is a great question for which I have no answer as I am not familiar with Mexican federal law. My best guess is no. But they have not yet broken US law-emphasis on 'yet.' And if they are seeking asylum, that is legal.

              Did the Mexicans not offer them asylum?
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                It may be technically true that people have a right to seek asylum but the caravan is clearly mob justice. Mob justice is the use of a crowd to achieve an extralegal objective. This behavior is distinct from protest because it is protest that threatens to ignore proper legal procedures. It is also distinct from civil disobedience because they intend to avoid the consequences of breaking the law by defrauding the system with unsupported claims. You cannot apply to a group the rights that only individuals have.

                Overwhelming the system to make refugee claims is extremely cynical. For practical reasons it interferes with the ability of legitimate refugees to present their case. Again it is important to understand that groups have no legitimate claims only individuals within the group. Until fairly recently it was understood that mass refugee movements could only be dealt with by refugee camps where the claims for asylum could be processed on an individual basis.
                We hunt the hunters

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by American87 View Post
                  ? Or why should we let them in?
                  Start with international law which recognizes the sovereignty of national borders. Then proceed to Federal law. Then take a look at the laws against this sort of thing that exist in Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala, etc. Much harsher than our own. If it's a crime for us to enter their nation illegally, then it's a crime for them to come here, period. They enforce their laws - they must therefore respect our intent to enforce ours.

                  The whole purpose of an immigration system is to allow people to apply for LEGAL ENTRY into America with our permission, not to just walk in like they own the place.

                  Then let's consider that if they messed up their country so badly that they have to leave it to survive, why would we want them to mess up ours in the same way?

                  After that, consider the number of young men of military age in that caravan, probably fleeing compulsory military service, and then ask yourself why we should always be the ones expected to provide everything for everyone? Why can't the people of other nations handle their own problems without always running away? For that matter, with all of it's countless billions of narco profits, why can't Mexico pitch a few tents for them and provide a few tortillas?

                  These people want to come here not to be Americans, not to work hard to make America proud, but to live free at the expense of American taxpayers thanks to all of the giveaway programs created by the Democrats in their desperate effort to gather more votes.

                  If you agree with letting them in, then post your address so they know where to come for a place to live.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    There's no way to tell what they can or can't contribute to society unless you're prejudice.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      There's no way to tell what they can or can't contribute to society unless you're prejudice.
                      The Japanese who attacked PH also entered illagally and they were not contributing to society .

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                      • #12
                        By the time they make it to the border you will already have forgotten the whole issue.
                        Wisdom is personal

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                        • #13
                          They wouldn't be moving through Mexico without the consent of the Cartels at the same time moving in a large group protects them from the Cartels. Figure that one out based on CNN's coverage. The story we are not hearing is that the media is paying the Cartels for access. For me at least the Mexican Cartels are the important story. There are places along the border that nobody crosses because the Cartels don't allow it. We need to build the wall to tell the Cartels they are no longer in control of the border. Then we need to shut down their operations in the U.S. where they have divided the country up cosa nostra style. Unfortunately are FBI and intelligence agencies are busy looking for Russians under Trump's bed.
                          We hunt the hunters

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                          • #14
                            And finding them.
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                            • #15
                              Hi

                              Some 640 applied for legal refuge in Mexico, mainly women and children, the old and disabled.
                              Some 2000 have left the caravan and returned to wherever they came from.

                              There's a second caravan already following up the first.

                              The only ones that should be allowed in are those who have immediate medical necessity,.

                              All the others unless there are extenuating circumstances should be barred from entering.

                              In terms of the Cartels, there exploiting those in the caravan and consent has nothing to do with it.

                              Regards

                              Andy H
                              "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                              "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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