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  • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post


    Perhaps, but lower IQ is still a leading trait among criminals, and I think we can agree that being rational is a 'smart' thing to do.
    Not entirely true. Overall, only the dumbest 1% ever do hard time. The remaining 99%slide through the cracks: plea bargains, suspended sentences, not enough evidence, the DA doesn't think the case is a career maker, etc. So the smart ones are all still out the on the street right alongside side you.

    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      Why was it necessary to put socialism off topic? A perfect example of why it fails, a compulsion to control everything instead of giving people a bit of freedom to make their own mistakes and be corrected by the market place of free speech. We have been doing pretty well without any moderation on these forums over the last couple weeks. I see no change in the quality or quantity of the conversation. Ask yourself who has called for moderation and you will discover a definite pattern.

      That doesn't mean that no moderation is necessary only that very little is needed. It relates to the topic in so far as intellectuals tend to think they know what is best for everyone and should be in charge of everything not those uncouth capitalists types. They believe it despite having little practical experience.
      A great deal is needed, but none is available.

      Calling for moderation to keep down the flamers, trollers and generally unsociable is not, IMO, the sin that you present it to be. It's a necessary part of keeping things on track.

      By the same token, recognizing that something is wrong is hardly the trait of an intellectual, merely someone with enough common sense to see the real world around him.

      BTW- there is no "market of free speech." Your right to free speech depends on many factors entirely out of your control. Try talking down an angry mob and see how far the "market" takes you.

      The squeaky wheels still get all of the grease.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

        I'm just following along, I tried to get it back on topic but there were no takers.

        I think we can follow several threads of thought at the same time and feel no need to moderate. One of the beauties of written over verbal dialogue is people can go back and pick up on previous thoughts without the conversation becoming disjointed. It's little different than putting a book down and picking it up later, if you forget something you can read it again. It doesn't bother me that people don't feel like addressing everything I have to say. I try to respond occasionally but don't feel that other people can't pick up the slack or explore side issues. Is it rude well maybe but it's the internet.
        Was my post to you off topic? No. Therefore you had a "taker" and chose to stay off topic.

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        • Originally posted by Karri View Post
          Oddly enough, the AIDS thing was wildly blown out of proportion, being an irrational and not a rational fear.
          If you'd seen what I'd seen then the fear would have seemed pretty rational to you too.

          Originally posted by Karri View Post
          And I think it had an effect. However, am not sure what we are arguing about here anymore.
          HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT!!!!!!? Of course we're arguing. We have to argue. NOW DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT AGAIN!



          Originally posted by Karri View Post
          That people who would be promiscuous decide not to be because of fear of STDs?
          Scared the sh*t outta me, I can tell ya that.

          And I wasn't the only one. Here's famed anti-AIDS and gay rights activist Larry Kramer on the gay bathhouse scene of the 1970s:

          Everybody was having so much sex that no relationship in the world could withstand all of that. We didnít know it was bad. We didnít know that it would be physically debilitating. And of course, drugs came along. And also peer pressure said anything and everything was okay. We didnít have a political movement then. Sex wasnít a political act. It was just pure and simple exuberant hedonism. Very understandable after centuries of being locked up. But I found that having so much sex made finding love impossible. . . . .

          AIDS hit my little group very early on, and no one knew what it was. But it was very obvious what was causing it, and I said that if you had a brain, you should start cooling it. And that made a lot of enemies. You couldnít say those things, then or now.

          http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/2423/
          In other words, a radical gay rights activist came out and said that promiscuity was dangerous -- and he was pilloried for it, rhetorically speaking, of course. He was accused of seeking to repress gay people and "gayness." I would say that this was an early post-modern example of political interests seeking to silence common sense.

          And here's the word from noted sex advice and gay rights columnist Dan Savage, and it saying pretty much the same thing.

          https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/...Love?oid=13371

          I'd reproduce the quotes, but the language is pretty salty, so the ADULTS should have at it at their leisure.

          Imagine that, trying to silence people who are warning that certain behaviors can engender some very serious consequences. The funny part is that at least some of the people doing the silencing are armed with PhDs. What FA Hayek said of socialists some seventy years ago

          https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/asreview.htm

          also applies to a lot of these "intelligentsia" today: they deliberately use fancy sounding and pseudo-scientific words to mask the fact that they're endeavoring to undermine millenia's worth of common sense. Why such efforts should be tolerated I cannot begin to fathom -- but fact is is that they're not only tolerated, they're lauded, as "progress."
          I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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          • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

            Was my post to you off topic? No. Therefore you had a "taker" and chose to stay off topic.
            I don't get to decide what people are interested in and I'm not the only one who could have responded. Honestly I sometimes get tired of listening to myself blather on. What I was really interested in never got discussed.
            We hunt the hunters

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            • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              Why was it necessary to put socialism off topic? A perfect example of why it fails, a compulsion to control everything instead of giving people a bit of freedom to make their own mistakes and be corrected by the market place of free speech. ....
              Agreed, but Socialism is where you find the Control Freaks that feel the need to , well.... be controlling. Tiresome, isn't it?


              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              That doesn't mean that no moderation is necessary only that very little is needed..
              But, it is needed.
              And individuals need to be educated on WHY it is.
              It is a very simple lesson; the more of a crook or a dictator or a bastard you are, the less free you are to enjoy your wealth and the more time & money you have to devote to your protection and/or camouflage.

              A Drug Dealer once told a Cop; "I make ten times as much money as you do."
              The answer; "Sure, but I get to go home and sleep soundly, in the same bed I have been using for the last couple of years. You try doing that and you'll wake up with your throat cut, won't you?"
              "Why is the Rum gone?"

              -Captain Jack

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