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  • Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Consider reviewing your post #8 on this thread, which I initially responded to, and maybe become a bit more precise in YOUR use of English.

    We've learned our "double standards" from whack-job seditionists and Alynskites of the Left.


    I reviewed it and reads like this...

    Originally posted by pamak
    I do not hear liberals being so obsessed with the rich guys on the right who DID fund the tea party (that was when hypocrites on your side were complaining about the deficits).

    I gave the evidence and you did not refute them. So, now you try to gain an advantage by claiming that you speak your native language better than me...

    Congratulations for your accomplishment!
    Your #8 was vague and implied that "the tea party"(generic and as a whole) was funded by "rich guys";
    I replied that the LOCAL TEA Party I was a member of wasn't funded by "rich guys(or gals)" and most other local TEA Parties I knew of also weren't funded by "the rich". When I ask for you to prove/document that claim, you sidestepped and dodge with a small and limited case of "one example".
    You start with a broad brush then CYA with focus on a single brushstroke ...

    Then somehow you run this into hypocrisy on "deficits" when there was no funding from guv'mint sources ...
    ... and rich people is all of what capitalism and free enterprise are about and for.

    BTW, it's "better than I".

    You employ not only sloppy language, but also sloppy logic.
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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    • [Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
      Your #8 was vague and implied that "the tea party"(generic and as a whole) was funded by "rich guys";
      I replied that the LOCAL TEA Party I was a member of wasn't funded by "rich guys(or gals)" and most other local TEA Parties I knew of also weren't funded by "the rich". When I ask for you to prove/document that claim, you sidestepped and dodge with a small and limited case of "one example".
      You start with a broad brush then CYA with focus on a single brushstroke ...

      Then somehow you run this into hypocrisy on "deficits" when there was no funding from guv'mint sources ...
      ... and rich people is all of what capitalism and free enterprise are about and for.

      BTW, it's "better than I".

      You employ not only sloppy language, but also sloppy logic.


      Yes, funded by rich guys and I gave an example which you did not refute. I did not say that your LOCAL Tea party was funded by such guys. Nor did I say that ALL local organizations were funded. What do you expect me to do? To start a project to go over every tea party organization in the country? I used the same standards people on the right use when they argue that Soros funds decentralized organizations like the Black Lives Matters movement as I showed in the FOX link I posted earlier. If you have problem with that logic, do not blame me. I just keep the right-wing posters honest by using their standards! The point I make is simple: If one wants to find connections between super-rich guys and popular movements, he can find such links. It does not matter if the movement is called Tea Party or BLM!

      p.s. The hypocrisy on deficits is obvious when Tea Party members like you stay silent when deficits under Trump go up at a time when the economy is actually strong enough to reduce the total deficit instead of farther increasing it!

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/econo...cit/index.html

      US deficit rises 17% to the highest level since 2012

      The deficit rose to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, up 17% from last year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That's the largest number since 2012, when the country was still spending massively to stimulate an economy struggling to recover.


      Where are the Tea Party activists like you today?

      Here is one of your leaders talking about the big debt in 2011

      https://www.c-span.org/video/?300818...ce-debt-debate

      Hypocrites!
      Last edited by pamak; 26 Oct 18, 14:26.
      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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      • Originally posted by pamak View Post

        Your belief about Soros is not supported by your source. Also, the premise that he is spending more in "dark money" is illogical since "dark money" by definition does not allow comparisons between Soros and Koch. You can characterize Soros's beliefs in whatever negative light you wish. It does not change the fact that a leftist can do the same about Koch's funding for groups that for the left are supporting pro-poverty wages, anti-worker laws, illegal Israeli occupation, racism, misogyny or whatever. The point I make is that leftists are less prone to simplify the real world and see a single businessman as a boogeyman behind every wrong that the left sees in this world.
        "Kohn" ???

        1) "pro-poverty wages" = huge distortion. We support an employers right to provide wages they can afford and that are market competitive.
        2) "anti-worker laws" = Left's support of compulsory union membership and "affirmative action" which places factors of race-ethnic-gender-etc. over worker skill and competence.
        3) "illegal Israeli occupation" = Left ignores Arab/Muslim 1948 ignoring UN mandate/solution by attacking Israel with intent to destroy that nation and kill/drive out the Jews. Along with repeated peace treaty and ceasefire violations by anti-Israeli forces in the region since then.
        4) "racism" = Left/Democrats whom instituted and supported segregation and repeatedly blocked Civil Rights, still align with the KKK.
        5) "misogyny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

        Considering how Leftists advocate for the theft and greed of socialism, are anti-capitalist, and can seldom have a "demonstration" that doesn't include rioting and looting, just what useful and social constructive purpose does the Left provide???

        You might consider reading "Atlas Shrugged" to get a better gauge on social looters.
        Last edited by G David Bock; 26 Oct 18, 14:55.
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.
          I used "misandrogynous" which is the feminist movement where they hate and revile men and anything male, and want to force men to act and behave like women.

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          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            "Kohn" ???

            1) "pro-poverty wages" = huge distortion. We support an employers right to provide wages they can afford and that are market competitive.
            2) "anti-worker laws" = Left's support of compulsory union membership and "affirmative action" which places factors of race-ethnic-gender-etc. over worker skill and competence.
            3) "illegal Israeli occupation" = Left ignores Arab/Muslim 1948 ignoring UN mandate/solution by attacking Israel with intent to destroy that nation and kill/drive out the Jews. Along with repeated peace treaty and ceasefire violations by anti-Israeli forces in the region since then.
            4) "racism" = Left/Democrats whom instituted and supported segregation and repeatedly blocked Civil Rights, still align with the KKK.
            5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

            Considering how Leftists advocate for the theft and greed of socialism, are anti-capitalist, and can seldom have a "demonstration" that doesn't include rioting and looting, just what useful and social constructive purpose does the Left provide???

            You might consider reading "Atlas Shrugged" to get a better gauge on social looters.


            You see?

            You are weak in logic, so you try to show your strength in English language instead...

            The point I make is not if the leftists or the right-wing beliefs are right our wrong. I do not debate here if there is racism or not, or if Israel or Palestinians are wrong or if laws and policies are against workers or not.

            What I am saying is that the leftists are less prone to create boogiemen and conspiracy theories that target a single conservative businessman who funds projects or politicians which/who oppose leftist beliefs. I simply compare the sophistication of the leftist rhetoric to the very simplistic one we see in the lunatic-right where people are more prone to create boogiemen and see Soros behind every wrong they see in tis world

            My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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            • Also, I do not know if you missed or "missed " the last part of my post which explains why I used the word hypocrisy when I talked about the Tea Party activists, but I will repeat it to be sure that you actually understand the points I make and debate these points and not the ones you THINK I make...

              The hypocrisy on deficits is obvious when Tea Party members like you stay silent when deficits under Trump go up at a time when the economy is actually strong enough to reduce the total deficit instead of farther increasing it!

              https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/econo...cit/index.html

              US deficit rises 17% to the highest level since 2012

              The deficit rose to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, up 17% from last year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That's the largest number since 2012, when the country was still spending massively to stimulate an economy struggling to recover.



              Where are the Tea Party activists like you today?

              Here is one of your leaders talking about the big debt in 2011

              https://www.c-span.org/video/?300818...ce-debt-debate

              Hypocrites!
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

                I assume the above quote shows your linguistic superiority.
                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                  Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  "Kohn" ???

                  1) "pro-poverty wages" = huge distortion. We support an employers right to provide wages they can afford and that are market competitive.
                  2) "anti-worker laws" = Left's support of compulsory union membership and "affirmative action" which places factors of race-ethnic-gender-etc. over worker skill and competence.
                  3) "illegal Israeli occupation" = Left ignores Arab/Muslim 1948 ignoring UN mandate/solution by attacking Israel with intent to destroy that nation and kill/drive out the Jews. Along with repeated peace treaty and ceasefire violations by anti-Israeli forces in the region since then.
                  4) "racism" = Left/Democrats whom instituted and supported segregation and repeatedly blocked Civil Rights, still align with the KKK.
                  5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

                  Considering how Leftists advocate for the theft and greed of socialism, are anti-capitalist, and can seldom have a "demonstration" that doesn't include rioting and looting, just what useful and social constructive purpose does the Left provide???

                  You might consider reading "Atlas Shrugged" to get a better gauge on social looters.


                  You see?

                  You are weak in logic, so you try to show your strength in English language instead...

                  The point I make is not if the leftists or the right-wing beliefs are right our wrong. I do not debate here if there is racism or not, or if Israel or Palestinians are wrong or if laws and policies are against workers or not.

                  What I am saying is that the leftists are less prone to create boogiemen and conspiracy theories that target a single conservative businessman who funds projects or politicians which/who oppose leftist beliefs. I simply compare the sophistication of the leftist rhetoric to the very simplistic one we see in the lunatic-right where people are more prone to create boogiemen and see Soros behind every wrong they see in tis world
                  Apparently your definition of logic is different from others.
                  Considering the one-sided slant of your "attacks" is the same as the Left, other than being dishonest, how should I and others consider what you are muddling about.
                  While the Left might not target a single businessman, the Kock's are brothers, a pair ...
                  ... and the Lefties I know far outpace the Right and Conservatives in finding boogieman and conspiracy theories everywhere;
                  ... the Russians stole OUR election ...
                  ... ACC/AGW is real and we have to do something now ...
                  ... Free enterprise and profits are evil ...
                  ... etc. ...
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                  “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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                  • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

                    I assume the above quote shows your linguistic superiority.
                    Shows a typo, corrected: "misogyny" (the term you used).
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                      Also, I do not know if you missed or "missed " the last part of my post which explains why I used the word hypocrisy when I talked about the Tea Party activists, but I will repeat it to be sure that you actually understand the points I make and debate these points and not the ones you THINK I make...

                      The hypocrisy on deficits is obvious when Tea Party members like you stay silent when deficits under Trump go up at a time when the economy is actually strong enough to reduce the total deficit instead of farther increasing it!

                      https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/econo...cit/index.html

                      US deficit rises 17% to the highest level since 2012

                      The deficit rose to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, up 17% from last year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That's the largest number since 2012, when the country was still spending massively to stimulate an economy struggling to recover.



                      Where are the Tea Party activists like you today?

                      Here is one of your leaders talking about the big debt in 2011

                      https://www.c-span.org/video/?300818...ce-debt-debate

                      Hypocrites!
                      I think you missed that part back when he signed the Budget from Congress (whom make such out), under duress, because not doing so would have caused Federal shutdown and larger economic disruption. He admonished Congress to not do it again and show more fiscal responsibility on the next one.
                      I'm willing to wait and see ...
                      So far I'm not expecting to see him double the National Debt like we saw with prior POTUS Barry the community organizer.

                      And I am the one whom often presents this for consideration
                      http://www.usdebtclock.org/
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                      “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                        Apparently your definition of logic is different from others.
                        Considering the one-sided slant of your "attacks" is the same as the Left, other than being dishonest, how should I and others consider what you are muddling about.
                        While the Left might not target a single businessman, the Kock's are brothers, a pair ...
                        ... and the Lefties I know far outpace the Right and Conservatives in finding boogieman and conspiracy theories everywhere;
                        ... the Russians stole OUR election ...
                        ... ACC/AGW is real and we have to do something now ...
                        ... Free enterprise and profits are evil ...
                        ... etc. ...
                        If you actually read my posts, you can easily see that I was talking about the propensity of the right to create boogiemen.

                        You mentioned my #8 post but you missed that I was addressing a particular quote

                        Originally posted by pamak

                        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                        If Soros was funding the tea party all of a sudden he would be the evil wizard behind the curtain that is destroying America in the minds of liberals.

                        Don't forget there was an actual conspiracy within the intelligence community (insurance policy) to stop the Orange Hitler.

                        Hypocrites


                        I do not hear liberals being so obsessed with the rich guys on the right who DID fund the tea party (that was when hypocrites on your side were complaining about the deficits).
                        And it is sad that you see as conspiracy the attempt by the intelligence community to defend the US from Russian collaborators.


                        You did not understand that the point was to demonstrate that it is easy to find connections between rich conservative guys and movements like the Tea Party (as I did in a very short time and with limited resources) to create a boogieman. Still the left is not so obsessed with particular rich conservative donors. You failed to understand my objective because you did not read carefully what I was addressing. Try harder next time...
                        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                        • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          5) "misogny" = Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women. Or Conservative non-whites.

                          I assume the above quote shows your linguistic superiority.
                          Shows a typo, corrected: "misogyny" (the term you used).

                          You just revealed to us that beside typos, you have problems with English grammar and syntax.

                          Haven't paid much attention have you to the Left's attacks upon Conservative women.

                          The above sentence does not show that you are in a position to judge other people's language skills

                          Or Conservative non-whites.

                          This is not even a complete sentence. It is a sentence fragment! Elementary school students struggle with sentence fragments!

                          If you want help, visit the following site:

                          https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_w...fragments.html


                          Fragments are incomplete sentences. Usually, fragments are pieces of sentences that have become disconnected from the main clause. One of the easiest ways to correct them is to remove the period between the fragment and the main clause. Other kinds of punctuation may be needed for the newly combined sentence.

                          Below are some examples with the fragments shown
                          in red.

                          Fragment: Purdue offers many majors in engineering. Such as electrical, chemical, and industrial engineering.
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              I think you missed that part back when he signed the Budget from Congress (whom make such out), under duress, because not doing so would have caused Federal shutdown and larger economic disruption. He admonished Congress to not do it again and show more fiscal responsibility on the next one.
                              I'm willing to wait and see ...
                              So far I'm not expecting to see him double the National Debt like we saw with prior POTUS Barry the community organizer.

                              And I am the one whom often presents this for consideration

                              http://www.usdebtclock.org/

                              So, the tax cuts and the increased military spending did not play any role in that deficit increase which is projected to reach 1 trillion by the end of the year. Do you care to explain to us what changed since the previous year when the deficit was 17% lower?



                              Also, where did you present the issue of debt for consideration? When was the last time that you participated in a Tea Party protest about that issue? Do you really think that I can take you seriously when you try to compare your activism as a Tea Party "Patriot" when Obama was president to your "activism" as an AGC poster here when Trump is president?

                              Give me a break!



                              This is the type of hypocrisy I was talking about in my #8 post.
                              Last edited by pamak; 26 Oct 18, 16:32.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                                Of course these weren't racist Democrats ...

                                Black Republican Threatened With Gun While Volunteering At Polls
                                https://www.teaparty.org/black-repub...-polls-330064/
                                Not surprising at all to me. How many times have I said that racism is at a rampant high right now?
                                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                - Benjamin Franklin

                                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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