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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Trump preaches hate against his political opponents and names the press as the 'enemy of the people.' And he praises the Congressman who physically assaulted a reporter. It that's not stoking the fire and being at least partially responsible for the mess today, I don't know what is.
    Reporters who are physically assaulted deserve their fate .
    the world would be better without reporters .

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    If there were no stupidity, politics would be impossible. It's not my fault that politicians have a bottomless quantity of morons on which to rely to do their dirty work. Really that's your fault, the statist milieu's fault, for pitching the notion that politics can and is the primary agent for positive social change. That's patently false on its face.

    Here we do not take about a plausible positive change but about averting using politics to produce a plausible disaster. At least, this was my impression when you used the example of someone encouraging a person to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge!

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Trump preaches hate against his political opponents and names the press as the 'enemy of the people.' And he praises the Congressman who physically assaulted a reporter. It that's not stoking the fire and being at least partially responsible for the mess today, I don't know what is.
    Using your "reasoning," Ozzy Osbourn caused teenagers to lock themselves in garages with cars running via his Suicide Solution.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    I found his claim compelling because it highlights the practical aspect of politics which is the point I make in response to your observation that it is "on the prospective follower not to be so dim." You cannot pretend and act like we live in a world where there is no stupidity...
    If there were no stupidity, politics would be impossible. It's not my fault that politicians have a bottomless quantity of morons on which to rely to do their dirty work. Really that's your fault, the statist milieu's fault, for pitching the notion that politics can and is the primary agent for positive social change. That's patently false on its face.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Bismark was plenty smart, but he had the ethics of a rat. Dangerous it is to take your ethical cues from one such as that.





    Rimshot



    Politics is the power of the lie, and the mind-bending gullibility of a given constituency. Wasn't Thucydides mandatory in your school?


    I found his claim compelling because it highlights the practical aspect of politics which is the point I make in response to your observation that it is "on the prospective follower not to be so dim." You cannot pretend and act like we live in a world where there is no stupidity...

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Proof ?
    How can the constitution be secretly amended ?
    https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...nal-convention

    Unfortunately while everyone is focused on where Obama was born and how many peaceful Muslims are going to be let in the country, I seem to be the only one here looking out for the real issues and real threats to our democracy. It's understandable that you missed it though, since you're not American.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Is not politics “ "the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”" according to Bismarck?
    Bismark was plenty smart, but he had the ethics of a rat. Dangerous it is to take your ethical cues from one such as that.

    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/424...the-attainable

    p.s no clue if the above quote is genuine. I am always skeptical about the quotes I see in internet


    Rimshot

    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Still, it expresses my point...
    Politics is the power of the lie, and the mind-bending gullibility of a given constituency. Wasn't Thucydides mandatory in your school?

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Isn't the onus on the prospective follower not to be so dim? After all, I'm not the cause of his dimness.

    Is not politics “ "the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”" according to Bismarck?

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/424...the-attainable

    p.s no clue if the above quote is genuine. I am always skeptical about the quotes I see in internet (and had a long fight in the past in this forum with a poster who insisted on presenting fake quotes). Still, it expresses my point...

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    If I tell you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge and then you do it, is it my fault that you're stupid enough to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge?
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....text-case/amp/

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    It depends! If you know that you have a loyal and dim follower who may follow your advice, and still tell him to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, then you bear some responsibility.
    Isn't the onus on the prospective follower not to be so dim? After all, I'm not the cause of his dimness.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    If I tell you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge and then you do it, is it my fault that you're stupid enough to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge?

    It depends! If you know that you have a loyal and dim follower who may follow your advice, and still tell him to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, then you bear some responsibility.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Trump preaches hate against his political opponents and names the press as the 'enemy of the people.' And he praises the Congressman who physically assaulted a reporter. It that's not stoking the fire and being at least partially responsible for the mess today, I don't know what is.
    If I tell you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge and then you do it, is it my fault that you're stupid enough to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge?

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    By that rationale James Thomas Hodgkinson -- the guy who shot up the Republican softball team -- was motivated to violence by Bernie Sanders: Hodgkinson worked for Sanders' presidential campaign in 2016.
    Trump preaches hate against his political opponents and names the press as the 'enemy of the people.' And he praises the Congressman who physically assaulted a reporter. It that's not stoking the fire and being at least partially responsible for the mess today, I don't know what is.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    This is totally wrong : from 1854 to the thirties the GOP supported protectionism, it was the party of protectionism :the Smoot-Hawley tariff from 1930 ( 48 % ) : Smoot and Hawley were republicans .
    McKinley was called the Napoleon of Protection, Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower supported protectionism .
    In 1971 Nixon imposed a 10% surcharge on imports .
    Reagan imposed tariffs against Japanese car exports to the US .
    Bush imposed in 2002 steel tariffs of 30 % .
    Besides : the Cato Institute is not republican, but libertarian .David Koch was in 1980 Libertarian vice-president candidate ,against Reagan and Old Bush


    Free trade was used in the sense of global trade. Yes, globalization is not always about free trade. it is about free trade when the US has the advantage and protectionism when it does not have it. In the past, all republican administrations used tariffs and other less known tactics like the "Voluntarily Export Restraints" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunt...port_restraint
    which in reality were blackmails against successful competitors to either "voluntarily" accept restrictions on their exports to the US or face tariffs. And of course, let's not forget the republican farmers who count on government subsidies in this supposedly "free trade" world.
    And as you admit, all of the above were part of the republican ideology.


    Also, saying that the CATO Institute or Koch are not republicans but "libertarians" is like saying that Sanders is not a Democrat but a socialist. When these libertarians are part of the republican party, it does not matter how they call themselves. If you ask Rand Paul, he will tell you that he is also a libertarian.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130401...oks-ahead-2016

    So, really the conservative term really, and maybe has to be specified more, either libertarian conservative or constitutional conservative. But I accept all of those terms if they mean they believe in limited government and more individual liberty.

    But despite of what Rand Paul believes about himself, the fact is that he is not an independent since apparently he needs the republican machine and money (including Koch's) for his campaigns.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    People don't act without motivation. Soros has become target #1 and the center of many conspiracy theories for all the whack jobs on the right. What motive would someone outside of the right have to do something like that? Plus, the style of attack has right wing written all over it.

    This is what happens when you elect a divider. This is what Trump supporters wanted or were ok with.
    All presidents are considered as dividers by those who lost the election .

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